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RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Helmut Winkler - 27-10-2021
I am not so sure we can't use Cappelli, there are some things right there, but most of the interpretations are wrong. I think we can read letterforms and find out abbreviations, but M.s interpretations are wrong. Just to mention it, some things are obvious, e.g. that the language oould be Latin and that the ms, comes from a place in cenral Italy, the obvious place would be Padua
RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Maria Rita Lunazzi - 28-10-2021
Hi everyone,
io've published on Academia, a detailed and rectified transliteration chart, with detailed translation of the 1st paragraph on the page 1r.
I have also provide corrections on previous version.
Sperando che questo chiarisca dubbi e risponda alle domande emerse dal precedente lavoro.
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RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Maria Rita Lunazzi - 28-10-2021
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Infatti, Nablatore. Mi dispiace Maria, ma proprio non puoi usare Cappelli per leggere questo manoscritto, nemmeno al f. 116v. Le tue interpretazioni delle forme delle lettere non sono corrette, quindi anche le espansioni delle tue abbreviazioni sono errate.
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I didn't invented anything, these notes are not edited with Voynich glyphs, but with normal latin alphabet.
There is only a marginal note on the last line.
Please read my work with more attention, for sure it isn't 100% correct.
RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Maria Rita Lunazzi - 29-10-2021
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New paper reviewed
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Detailed transliteration chart
io hope these papers are more clear
RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Maria Rita Lunazzi - 29-10-2021
(20-10-2021, 09:43 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-10-2021, 05:45 PM)Maria Rita Lunazzi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.io write in english, but automatically its converted in Italian ?
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Thank you for the info, done!
RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Maria Rita Lunazzi - 29-10-2021
(20-10-2021, 12:50 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-10-2021, 03:58 PM)Maria Rita Lunazzi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Inoltre, nell'alfabeto EVA i glifi sono troppo standardizzati.
Per es. Non tiene conto delle varie curvature dei segni diacritici
That's true, but it could be fixed in a better transliteration if we had consistent characteristics to identify. Instead we have a continuum. In your own writing I don't see the differences (=) between those you interpret differently:
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I have published a more detailed chart.
The main difficulty to get a correct transliteration of the manuscript's handwriting is to distinguish the similar glyphs.
There are 4 levels of control to be applied when there is a doubt:
- by magnifying the sign, examine the sequence of the traits, an inverted U with a tail can be confused with an a.
- des or est can be confused with 8
- the bench. C--C can be confuse with C - - T
The 4th level is syntactic by exclusion
Even if I have all the correspondence Glyph- alphabet letters, the problem is to correctly read the glyphs and not confuse them.
RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Maria Rita Lunazzi - 30-10-2021
(27-10-2021, 01:52 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am not so sure we can't use Cappelli, there are some things right there, but most of the interpretations are wrong. I think we can read letterforms and find out abbreviations, but M.s interpretations are wrong. Just to mention it, some things are obvious, e.g. that the language oould be Latin and that the ms, comes from a place in cenral Italy, the obvious place would be Padua
I used Cappelli as a starter, it's a fundamental to understand what were the common marks used during XV century. Some abbreviations are used also in VM (not many), the language and the origin of the manuscript is not so obvious as the published studies and statistics are made with alphabet letters including th, k, y, w... not represented in Latin.
The place is Lazio ( Latina, Circeo, Sperlonga, Terracina, volcanic lakes of Monti Albani , Gaeta) in the " Rosetta" page we can also appreciate the heraldic symbol of the Colonna family.
I've provided to correct and edit a detailed list with approx 90% of the Voynich Manuscript glyphs.
Two new papers are available on Academia
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RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Maria Rita Lunazzi - 08-11-2021
(22-10-2021, 08:21 PM)LisaFaginDavis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Indeed, Nablator. I'm sorry Maria, but you really can't use Cappelli to read this manuscript, even on f. 116v. Your interpretations of the letterforms are incorrect, and so your abbreviation expansions are also incorrect.
Sorry but you have misunderstood my work, I never use Cappelli to read this manuscript, I only used it to compare some diacritical signs commonly used during the XV century for the missing letters.
The manuscript presents a latin version under the more evident calligraphy, probably the draft was made with a lead point or with nerofumo ink.
I didn't invent anything.
RE: The Voynich manuscript decoding method proposal by Maria Rita Lunazzi - Helmut Winkler - 09-11-2021
I have read the papers and apart from the fact that I think she is misinterpreting most ot the glyphs except some obvious like c, her Latin is, as in most of this cases not Latin, not evev medieval L.
RE: Scribes and elaborate gallows - Lyndon - 20-02-2026
Check the work of Maria Lunazzi...
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The 'ligatures' do mean something. That particular letter with ligatures (letter T in EVA) is a combination of two characters. The left part is the EVA letter Q (a letter 4) and the right part its an E. Each time it is drawn carefully with that same diagonal letter 4 on the left side. Its throughout the manuscript. Its important.
That single letter T over the bench is an abbreviation of the form QE (also can be QUO). It sits over the bench (CT) and when combined with the bench expands to make : C + Q + E + T which becomes Cumqet... a latin prefix to a longer word. The VM book is filled with such abbreviations. Low entropy becomes larger entropy.
There are many more assembled glyphs throughout the VM which, unless you study the writing carefully, you will miss. If you look for patterns you will miss them. If you look for ciphers and math, you miss them. You need to study the hand of the scribe and see how subtle some of those letters are. They look the same, but they are not.
There are multiple versions of the letter Y and many Rs, T's... all explode out to makes a low entropy book become much larger entropy.
If you want to know more about it, read this thread on this website.
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Her name is Maria Lunazzi. In her Published paper she observes details about all the letters in the book. She studied the written scribe, not the EVA alphabet and in doing so opened up a huge amount of details many had missed or misunderstood.
If you are still trying to decode the VM from simple EVA ... forget it. The mistake began when someone created a basic EVA and ran it through computations. The secret is in the scribes hand. Study the book, not that annoying EVA chart.
Sadly, Maria was treated badly on this forum, denounced because her English was not great. Yet it was her natural Italian understanding that was of value here. I fear her contribution to the real solution has been forgotten. For me she has made the single biggest leap forward in solving this puzzle. Maria Lunazzi....
Check out her paper.
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