(27-01-2018, 11:02 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten St George,

nobody is arguing for any specific origin in this thread.
We are simply pointing out that your observations about various elements of the manuscript are erroneous.

Koen Gh's last image shows beyond doubt that the hole in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is not shaped like a tapir. Seriously, just look at it.

As for the star count, even if you discount the smaller star, that still leaves 162 red stars, not 161. And keep in mind that there are two folios missing, so I reiterate that there were probably even more red stars originally, since there are between 5-10 red stars on every other page of Q20.

What we are carrying out in this thread is the closest thing you will get to a proper peer review of your writings on the Voynich.
Nobody has discussed your conclusions about origins here, because before we even get to those, we are providing you with a fact-check of the observations which your theory is founded upon.
As it turns out, several of these are simply incorrect.

[attachment=1914 Wrote:R. Sale pid='18974' dateline='1517094671']On what page do you find an illustration on religious themes ...?

Try VMs f71r  -- White Aries -- a religious tradition starting before 1250 CE and continuing to the present day.

(28-01-2018, 08:22 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."BTW, who wrote "abrival" (surely meaning April) below the ram?"


That's not a "v", no one wrote v like that in medieval Gothic cursive. And there's no "a" at the end. Look at the "a" at the beginning, how big and round it is.

It's aberil. There's no dot on the i at the end, which is quite common. It was frequently omitted.

Inserting the subscripted shape after the "b" was common. It stands for a missing letter.


There's a small possibility that it's abiril, but it's less likely as the dots on "i" were never drawn like a "c" or "e" shape.

So aberil or abiril and yes, it means April.


Who wrote it? The handwriting and ink do not match anything else in the VMS and it is disrespectfully written over parts of the drawings, so probably a later addition (marginalia). The style of the writing and form of abbreviations are consistent with handwriting from the 15th and very early 16th centuries.

(27-01-2018, 11:23 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.OK, so you replied to me with a response to somebody else, but no matter.
Let us check the link you put to me, namely the Shakespeare correspondence to Nostradamus (and I still can't quite understand how we get from there to the Voynich, but hey).

You say, in your very first example:

Quote:Nostradamus:
L'oiseau royal sur la cité solaire,
Sept moys deuant fera nocturne augure:
Mur d'Orient, cherra tonnerre esclaire,
Sept iours aux portes les ennemis à l'heure [1, V-81].
The royal bird over the city of the Sun, Seven months beforehand shall make nocturnal augury, The wall of the Orient shall fall, thunder illuminated, Seven days to the ports the enemies to the hour [168 hours?]. Note the Frenchification of the Latin "portis" (dative case), which can mean either gates or seaports. Later we will encounter a clarification: "port," seaport, in unambiguous context.
Shakespeare:
Ham. Not a whit, we defy augury; there's a special providence in the fall of a sparrow [2, Ham.].
Shakespeare:
And with my hand at midnight held your head;
And, like the watchful minutes to the hour [2, Jn.].
Theophilus de Garencières, who made the first English translation of the Nostradamus prophecies in 1672, tells us "By the Royal Bird is meant an Eagle" [3], but Shakespeare considers other possibilities, here the sparrow. However, it is the word fall that seals the correlation. Note that Nostradamus uses fall in the sense of the fall of an empire and Shakespeare uses it to refer to the descent of a bird, but nevertheless the terms equate for the purpose at hand.

I'm sorry, but you can't pick two random examples out of the Shakespearean corpus and use them to justify a link to Nostradamus - it's ridiculous. They aren't even from the same play. And they don't even correspond in the least to the Nostradamus prediction you quote. 

BTW, the sparrow quotation is actually a reference to the Bible, King James version.

Sorry, it's all too ridiculous for me, I'm out.

(28-01-2018, 06:50 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten, that Catalan scene you quote is about a lancer defeating an armored horseman. It does not contain a word for April.

Quote: e l'almugaver, quel veu venir tot abrival vers ell, lexal se acostar, e trames li la scona als pits dels cavall, si que li'n mes be dos palms entre los pits e la espalla;

Quote: Your software would not allow me to respond to your post. I was taken to a message saying I was unauthorized to do so, and I thought I had been banned from this discussion group. That would not be something new for me: a few years ago I was banned from a Yahoo! Group called the Nostradamus Research Group. But your software did allow me to respond to someone else.