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RE: Rosette folio detail and cosmological element display - MarcoP - 14-09-2017
(11-09-2017, 10:32 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm probably overlooking some obvious explanation, but why the disks for Jupiter?
That's a good question. I checked other images in the ms, but I couldn't find an answer. Maybe somewhere in the text....
Venus in her castle is represented similarly. But You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. makes clear that her disk represents a mirror. Jupiter's disks remain unexplained. Are they rings? But why?
RE: Rosette folio detail and cosmological element display - Koen G - 14-09-2017
It does look like a golden ring. Sign of kingship or wealth maybe?
RE: Rosette folio detail and cosmological element display - -JKP- - 14-09-2017
I'm not sure, when I first saw it, I thought it was a ring or mirror, but then when I saw the other mirror that was more distinctive, then I thought perhaps a ring. His attribute is often a scepter, but that doesn't seem to apply here.
RE: Rosette folio detail and cosmological element display - MarcoP - 15-09-2017
This is rather off-topic, since it's not about the Rosettes page, but it adds to the parallels with illustrations from Hildegard's works discussed above.
The Moon and (more clearly) the Sun in f68r2 can be compared with those in Scivias You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., 1200 ca: it's on the other side of the folio that contains the thunder illustration discussed by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The two illustrations of the Sun can be described as human faces surrounded by rings decorated by several colored rays (red in Scivias, blue in the VMS).
The Scivias detail makes part of an illustration of the six days of creation (Genesis). The inscription reads "Dies quartus sol et luna et stelle" (fourth day: the Sun, the Moon and the stars).
RE: Rosette folio detail and cosmological element display - MarcoP - 15-09-2017
In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Juergen interpreted the lobed shapes in the North-East "rosette" as "clouds".
A very similar shape appears in the illustration of Hildegard's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the lost Rupertsberg Scivias manuscript.
It is described as "a white cloud coming out of the beautiful shape of a man and containing several stars" (candidam nubem quae de pulchra hominis forma plurimas stellas in se continens exierat).