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RE: Month names collection / metastudy - eggyk - 21-06-2026
The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. talks about a matching scribe in CGM 836. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from CGM 836 (f128r-148v) looks to be the same scribe. There is heavy use of the same curved 'j' in words like 'ich', perhaps theres context for the L's in there.
It could be a contraction: aberiŁ -> aberil(len).
so in der himel' der himellen (CGM 836, 131r, scan 265)
dem himel' (CGM 836, 137v, scan 278)
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - Koen G - 21-06-2026
It's hard to find lexical variation in this chapter since half of the words are "marter". But as far as I can tell, the looped version is simply the word-final form of L, no expansion required. For example "und uns wird woll sein". You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - nablator - 21-06-2026
(21-06-2026, 02:15 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But as far as I can tell, the looped version is simply the word-final form of L, no expansion required.
Yes, but there are a few exceptions.
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - Zauriek - 22-06-2026
So, Luxemburg modern main language (Lëtzebuergesch) has "Abrëll" and is a region where French and Dutch is strong. There should be a French dialect of Luxemburg around 1400 that is mostly French but has Dutch influence and borrows the Abrëll from Luxembourgish.
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But i'm very bad at this. The idea was to find an old "Abrëll" from a Luxemburg manuscript to compare, but i'm lost. I can't find anything relevant and sunday went by so fast... Is this a good lead to keep searching?
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - eggyk - 22-06-2026
(22-06-2026, 08:15 AM)Zauriek Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is this a good lead to keep searching?
Absolutely, luxembourg manuscripts are a good lead. However, the trick is being able to find month names written down in text without scanning every page of every manuscript (each manuscript can be 100s of pages, and there are 100s of manuscripts). That's why most of the entries are from works marked as calendars in some way.
If you want to go through each manuscript anyway, the next best thing is searching through the thumbnails for the pages and looking for "calendar-like" pages (often with KL in the top left), pages with paragraph breaks and subtitles (often in red), or pages with tables and astronomical diagrams. Walls of text are generally better to avoid, other than maybe the first/last page of a chapter to check the topic.
(left two pages are paragraphs about each month)
(you can see KL + calendar layout)
But even that tends to take a while. If you can narrow down the search somehow (date, language, topic) you are way more likely to find something.
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - Zauriek - 22-06-2026
@eggyk Thank you! I see now, one needs some short of discipline, cause i always end up with the curiosity to find "apox liber" or something or just get curios about the coloring or drawings; had a lot of troubles after understanding some of the words because how archaic the thinking is and gives me a headache, i guess one needs a special type of mentality when entering in the believes of medieval times, that is also a reason why i don't want to understand or fully read the contents of the texts. Ok, gona keep trying and see if something happens. thanks again.
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - eggyk - 23-06-2026
(18-06-2026, 12:34 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm almost certain that I saw a couple of examples when a w and ü were interchanged, but I can't find them right now. I'll try to locate them.
It was in this manuscript: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Does anyone have an idea what sound that could have made? Would it be avst / oust / owst, or a second syllable like ah-oost, ah-wuhst, ah-vst?
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - eggyk - 23-06-2026
Aberils are like london buses. None turn up for ages, and then 2 come right after eachother.
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Ulrichs von Lichtenstein Frauendienst
13th Century (1255AD?)
Austria, Styria, Judenberg?
aberillen
mayen
The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the work has an interesting bit of description:
"abrillen, aberillen: gen. of aberille (usually aberelle): April, the unsettled month"
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - MarcoP - 23-06-2026
Is the -en a grammatical suffix, so that the uninflected form would be Aberil?
Edit: I see it is supposed to be the genitive of Aberille, sorry I missed that bit. Does it make sense?
RE: Month names collection / metastudy - eggyk - 23-06-2026
(23-06-2026, 01:28 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is the -en a grammatical suffix, so that the uninflected form would be Aberil?
Edit: I see it is supposed to be the genitive of Aberille, sorry I missed that bit. Does it make sense?
The sentence is "Als aberillen wett' vert ir wille" in the original, in 1888 it's "Als abrillen weter vert ir wille".
Google AI translates it as "Her will changes like april weather", so I suppose its something like "Like april weather goes her will", meaning that it (her will) is unpredictable, or changes quickly like weather in April.
So, i guess yes it makes sense as the genitive case in that sentence as the weather belongs to/is of April. It actually makes more sense than the months being pluralised.
Edit: Many of the entries on the spreadsheet have this form for many of the months, and haven't been explicitly noted as it's so common. It's really common to see a format like:
mertz
In dem mertzen...
or
von dem mertzen
Der mertz ist..
But this doesn't apply to all of the months equally. Jenner, Hornung, brachmonat, hewmonat, herbstmonat, weinmonat, wintermonat, cristmonat do not follow that pattern afaik. Only mertz, aprille, may, and rarely augst.