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RE: A key to understand the VMS - Diane - 24-02-2017
Just for curiosity's sake... how does something like this work out in terms of stats and quasi-phonosyntactic rigidity? Imagine it not in ruled columns.
- and before anyone imagines it's an hypothesis or a smart-alec remark, please remember that I ask from fundamental ignorance of linguistics so deep that I haven't learned most of what you guys have forgotten you ever didn't know.
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RE: A key to understand the VMS - -JKP- - 24-02-2017
Trig table. Almagest. Ptolemy's chords.
I don't see it as a smart-Alec remark. I've often wondered if some of the pages were calendrical pages (or something similar, like moon tables) minus the rigid vertical columns.
RE: A key to understand the VMS - Sam G - 24-02-2017
(23-02-2017, 10:17 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Since the app is generating new words by modifying existing ones no other outcome is possible then a network of similar words:
Okay, that makes sense of course, but earlier in the thread you posted tables like this one:
(08-01-2017, 03:24 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is still possible to extend the grid. He now contains over 33 % of the words in the VMS. Since the grid is now very large I have splitted him into two parts.
Note: At the end of a word an a is normally written as y. For this reason words like cheda (1) are rare for the VMS.
aiin (469) daiin (863) odaiin (60) okaiin (212) qokaiin (262) kaiin (65) taiin (42) otaiin (154) qotaiin (79)
ain ( 89) dain (211) odain (18) okain (144) qokain (279) kain (48) tain (16) otain ( 96) qotain (64)
air ( 74) dair (106) odair ( 5) okair ( 22) qokair ( 17) kair (14) tair (13) otair ( 21) qotair ( 6)
ar (350) dar (318) odar (24) okar (129) qokar (152) kar (52) tar (43) otar (141) qotar (63)
al (260) dal (253) odal (13) okal (138) qokal (191) kal (23) tal (20) otal (143) qotal (59)
am ( 88) dam ( 98) odam ( 6) okam ( 26) qokam ( 25) kam ( 9) tam (--) otam ( 47) qotam (12)
or (363) dor ( 73) odor ( 8) okor ( 34) qokor ( 36) kor (26) tor (23) otor ( 46) qotor (29)
ol (537) dol (117) odol ( 2) okol ( 82) qokol (104) kol (37) tol (48) otol ( 86) qotol (47)
y (151) dy (270) ody (46) oky (102) qoky (147) ky (25) ty (16) oty (115) qoty (87)
ey ( 1) dey ( 1) odey ( 1) okey ( 63) qokey (107) key (14) tey (11) otey ( 57) qotey (24)
eey ( 3) deey ( 7) odeey ( 2) okeey (177) qokeey (308) keey (44) teey (20) oteey (140) qoteey (42)
cthaiin ( 13) ckhaiin ( 3) chkaiin (18) chtaiin ( 4) chaiin ( 45) chdaiin ( 16) chodaiin (44) cheodaiin (11) chedaiin ( 32)
cthain ( 4) ckhain ( 1) chkain (12) chtain ( 3) chain ( 18) chdain ( 9) chodain ( 9) cheodain ( 8) chedain ( 19)
cthair (---) ckhair (--) chkair (--) chtair ( 1) chair ( 1) chdair ( 2) chodair ( 2) cheodair (--) chedair ( 1)
cthar ( 20) ckhar ( 3) chkar (12) chtar ( 3) char ( 72) chdar ( 20) chodar (14) cheodar ( 4) chedar ( 30)
cthal ( 7) ckhal ( 4) chkal (13) chtal ( 6) chal ( 48) chdal ( 19) chodal ( 7) cheodal ( 7) chedal ( 24)
ctham ( 1) ckham ( 3) chkam ( 3) chtam ( 1) cham ( 20) chdam ( 10) chodam ( 1) cheodam ( 2) chedam ( 6)
cthor ( 45) ckhor ( 9) chkor ( 1) chtor ( 2) chor (219) chdor ( 8) chodor (--) cheodor ( 2) chedor ( 2)
cthol ( 60) ckhol (22) chkol ( 3) chtol ( 5) chol (396) chdol ( 2) chodol ( 2) cheodol (--) chedol ( 6)
cthy (111) ckhy (39) chky (18) chty (13) chy (155) chdy (150) chody (94) cheody (89) chedy (501)
cthey ( 50) ckhey (32) chkey ( 8) chtey ( 1) chey (311) chdey (---) chodey ( 2) cheodey (--) chedey ( 1)
ctheey ( 13) ckheey (11) chkeey (13) chteey ( 1) cheey (174) chdeey ( 1) chodeey (--) cheodeey ( 1) chedeey ( 1)
Can you make a table like that from words in your sample text?
RE: A key to understand the VMS - Diane - 24-02-2017
-JKP-
Thanks for taking time to respond. As a bystander in this sort of discussion, I'm constantly puzzled about why the statistics and observations treat only straight prose and standard forms of poetry. And I'm serious in asking what sort of stats would result if material of that sort (minus columns) was tested. Iv'e noticed a number of links between the Vms' imagery and fourteenth century cartes marine - and works derived from them.
RE: A key to understand the VMS - Torsten - 25-02-2017
(24-02-2017, 01:45 PM)Sam G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you make a table like that from words in your sample text?
I didn't have a computer program to generate such a table. Therefore I had only the time to build three smaller tables:
aiiin ( 4) daiiin ( 24) saiiin ( 27) raiiin ( 28) lkaiiin ( 5) ltaiiin ( 5)
aiin (29) daiin (196) saiin (136) raiin (107) lkaiin ( 46) ltaiin ( 23)
ain (18) dain (124) sain ( 96) rain ( 88) lkain ( 47) ltain ( 26)
an ( 3) dan ( 28) san ( 26) ran ( 20) lkan ( 13) ltan ( 7)
aiir ( 2) daiir ( 31) saiir ( 13) raiir ( 11) lkaiir ( 9) ltaiir ( 4)
air ( 8) dair ( 66) sair ( 57) rair ( 47) lkair ( 23) ltair ( 12)
ar (95) dar ( 94) sar ( 56) rar ( 39) lkar ( 33) ltar ( 13)
as ( 8) das ( 54) sas ( 34) ras ( 28) lkas ( 19) ltas ( 8)
al (92) chal (13) ochal (--) ychal ( 2) lchal ( 2)
ar (95) char (14) ochar ( 4) ychar ( 2) lchar ( 2)
ol (96) chol ( 9) ochol ( 2) ychol ( 1) lchol ( 4)
or (78) chor (13) ochor ( 2) ychor ( 1) lchor (--)
cheedy (68) sheedy (63) rcheedy (17)
chedy (91) shedy (65) rchedy (25)
chdy (35) shdy (26) rchdy (--)
chy (17) shy (23) rchy ( 3)
cho (25) sho (22) rcho ( 3)