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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - davidjackson - 04-10-2016
I was intrigued by JKP'sYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. stating that he thought he could see letters in "the blue cube".
I post this here to keep everything in one thread.
I therefore downloaded the appropriate TIFF from the Beinecke website and ran it through an image process. I altered the colourspace to make certain features in contrast to the paint stand out - no other features were altered, not even image ratios. Here are some results (the colourspace applied is in the file name).
Some accentuate the eva 8 and other the supposed word SAL that JKP mentioned, although it looks more like SAU to me. I attach the clearest ones. I couldn't see anything else apart from the 8 and the SAU word, although there could be some sort of uptick after the 8 glyph?
Note the scratchy form of the SAU word. It was certainly written with a different implement from the main text and even, I suggest the 8 glyph above it. SAU is Occitan for sal, salt.
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RE: The blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 04-10-2016
(28-09-2016, 06:57 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So, something like this work of art. But what is it, it does not look like a piece of "la vache qui rit"
LOL. Not La vache qui rit
Blue cheese cube RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Koen G - 04-10-2016
David, JKP - I'm usually quite eager to find stuff under the paint, but in this case I find it very difficult to determine whether there is something there at all. On JKP's images (see below) I think I do see shapes, but the "8" looks like a "3", the S like some kind of G and the L like a B. GAB? If the thing JKP reads as S is actually together with the darker line above, it could also be an F or an E...
![[Image: BlueCube4.png]](http://voynichportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/BlueCube4.png)
The writing looks rather crude and uneven, and very small. Additionally, this paint dried rather unevenly, producing all kinds of lighter and darker spots. It's a hard one...
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - davidjackson - 04-10-2016
I did some rough calculations. Assuming the page to be 23.5cm high, this works out at 3368 pixels high.
The cube is 63 mm between its two long edges.
The "u" in SAU thus works out to be 8.5 pixels high, or 0.6mm high. That's pretty tiny....
The 8 glyph works out at 19 pixels, or 1.32 mm tall. It's very slightly taller than the "o" glyph in the vord above the cube. So the "u" would be half the height of the "o" glyph.
By way of comparision, 12 point Times New Roman is roughly 4.23 mm when printed onto paper.
@Koen - I'm normally skeptical about vague images found in the VMS. I've debunked a few of them. But this one.... seems pretty solid, and certainly merits further investigation.
But - the font used is all uppercase, and the A is almost modern in its style. It's a fair cry from any other handwriting used in the MS.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 04-10-2016
The thing has eyes too. Unfortunately the Great Gatsby was written in 1925
It would be weird location for book clasps. Maybe it is the blue fungus in blue cheese
There is no way to tell if the detail is on purpose or just "lizard on Mars" effect.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - -JKP- - 04-10-2016
Usually the most difficult part of discerning shapes under the paint is separating the deliberate marks from the little channels in the parchment where the paint runs, often creating a letter-shaped dark spot.
But the A in S? AL is angular, almost like knife cuts or, as mentioned, modern block writing and parchment doesn't generally look that way.
I think maybe the "L" in S? AL didn't look like a U to me because the A and L are so angular and the upswing on the "U" looked like a channel-run but... it's so hard to tell that it's certainly possible it could be a "U".
About the cheese...
Ellie is very good at finding visual analogies (not just similarities in shape but in function as well), so I thought about the comparison for a moment after smiling over it, and it crossed my mind that if you were drawing a commercial mold cheese (e.g., bleu cheese), it would probably be mottled, but if a piece of cheese goes moldy on its own, it often looks like this with the mold growing like a little forest along one surface. Even then I'm thinking hmmmm, plant section?, but then I remembered there's one "plant" that looks quite a bit like a blue mushroom, a blue mushroom is a fungus, and so is mold. Who knows, it may not be as head-scratching as it seems at first thought.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 05-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 11:24 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.About the cheese...
Ellie is very good at finding visual analogies (not just similarities in shape but in function as well), so I thought about the comparison for a moment after smiling over it, and it crossed my mind that if you were drawing a commercial mold cheese (e.g., bleu cheese), it would probably be mottled, but if a piece of cheese goes moldy on its own, it often looks like this with the mold growing like a little forest along one surface. Even then I'm thinking hmmmm, plant section?, but then I remembered there's one "plant" that looks quite a bit like a blue mushroom, a blue mushroom is a fungus, and so is mold. Who knows, it may not be as head-scratching as it seems at first thought.
Well, there is cheese in Tacuinum Sanitatis... Also Pliny the Elder suggested that the cheese from Gaul tastes like medicine
By the way, does anybody know any historical examples of books with eyes on the cover ( before Harry Potter if possible) - any spell books or alchemy books with eyeballs that can explain the "Cookie Monster" on the cube?
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 05-10-2016
I actually found somewhat similar looking book clasps.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - -JKP- - 05-10-2016
David, I was happy to see you ran the image through a series of different processes from the way I approached it (which admittedly was done quickly). It's always a good idea to use a variety of image processing attacks.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - davidjackson - 05-10-2016
From an article on colourspace management to reveal details in images (which is where I got the idea from):
Quote: Channel Inspector losslessly or nearly losslessly transforms images from a standard RGB colorspace into a variety of other colorspaces. In certain of these spaces, obscure content and even unsuspected features of the object(s) in the image may become starkly clear. Color scientists have created algorithms for transformations between these colorspaces. Image processing scientists and engineers often transform images into these colorspaces to aid "image segmentation" in which the image is segmented into related regions, allowing features of interest to be isolated. Image analysts use the segmented images to isolated and analyze features of interest in such applications as automated identification of individuals and vehicles (faces, postures, iris patterns, license plates) or automated experimental quantification such as counting cells in a defined area to determine culture plate density or to quantify ecosphere changes from satellite data (e..g. the changing boundaries of the Sahara desert or the equatorial rainforests).