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RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - Koen G - 10-05-2026

Looking at the full page, I think the tail is meant to be tufted. And those claws are awfully long and sharp.

RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - Linda - 10-05-2026

(10-05-2026, 12:45 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Very nice.. and it's Hartlieb as well, who is someone a few of us think must have been involved... The only thing is, the blue flowers are wrong.. You see that only in the Chinese variety which was not in Europe at that time

Yes but they seem to start out blue, and might be blue or provide a blue dye under the right ph conditions. They have sticky seeds, the way they form in a cross of 4 seems to match the drawn flower more than the flower actually does.

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I can accept the dog idea re the root, plus the root does look that way. I can see why Koen is questioning this, though.

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I could accept this identification, but I don't know the plant other than what i have read thus far, so there could be more matches, or, there could possibly exist a better match. The flowers do seem to contain mnemonics, it does not seem true to life. So that leaves far wide the way to compare other things that could be portrayed in this way. 

It could be something like "The blue flower buds give way to four seeds with tiny spikes, with a surface dotted with little sticky bits so as to adhere to animal fur for their subsequent dispersion." So the root could possibly also refer to any animal, and not just as a reference to the name of the plant. 

Notice how they drew little spikes that resemble the spike on the plant that i mean, between each of the "seed spikes", but what i mean is a singular spike which actually protrudes outwards from between all four seeds. So is that drawing what you read, or heard, without having seen the plant? Or is it taking what you know about the plant, and drawing out what you hear in your mind's ear, instead of it's eye. To me that is the convincing aspect of this identification, I can correlate the misunderstanding in the mind's ear description back into my mind's eye of the plant.

RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - Jimmy123 - 11-05-2026

I add something suspicious of this manuscript: on folio 43v there is "Erd Apfel":

   

That means "potatoes" in German. And it looks indeed like the picture shows potatoes.

BUT: the manuscript is from 1462 . How is that possible? Potatoes were brought into Europe after Columbus (after 1492). What is this sorcery?

RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - DG97EEB - 11-05-2026

(11-05-2026, 08:05 AM)Jimmy123 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I add something suspicious of this manuscript: on folio 43v there is "Erd Apfel":



That means "potatoes" in German. And it looks indeed like the picture shows potatoes.

BUT: the manuscript is from 1462 . How is that possible? Potatoes were brought into Europe after Columbus (after 1492). What is this sorcery?

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RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - Koen G - 11-05-2026

You have a lot to learn about potatoes, Jimmy.

RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - Juan_Sali - 11-05-2026

(11-05-2026, 08:05 AM)Jimmy123 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I add something suspicious of this manuscript: on folio 43v there is "Erd Apfel":

That means "potatoes" in German. And it looks indeed like the picture shows potatoes.
The word Erdapfel had more meanings before the potatoes according to Wiktionary.
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RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - Jimmy123 - 11-05-2026

(11-05-2026, 09:32 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You have a lot to learn about potatoes, Jimmy.

In am quite the fool, indeed

RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - JoJo_Jost - 12-05-2026

(10-05-2026, 06:03 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What would make that creature a dog though, other than being a quadruped?

the imagination Wink

RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - ReneZ - 12-05-2026

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RE: F90v1 - houndstongue? - Koen G - 12-05-2026

Here's one that focuses on the flowers:

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