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RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 20-02-2026

(20-02-2026, 08:05 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Quote:Content and "heresy": The book tells of angels (Guardians) who descended to earth, had sex with human women, and fathered giants (Nephilim), which was problematic and mystical from the point of view of the theology of the time.

Nephilim are not really heretical, they are in the Bible:

Genesis 6:1-4
When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

It is probably some old very legend which seemed quite weird already to the author of Genesis so he just mentioned it very briefly but still mentioned it. But yes, they were generally avoided as the subject of discussion in Christianity.

But putting Nephilim aside, do you think that the textin Voynich Manuscript says something or the meaning is shown just by hidden symbols in the plants?
And why doesn't it have any order? You are basically taking and mixing random pages from different sections.

The Voynich manuscript is shuffled. It only begins with the second chapter (f1v) - The Book of Parables (Chapters 37–71). The first chapter - The Book of the Watchers (Chapters 1–36) is sorted further in the VMS. I have presented interpretations from different parts of the VMS to show that these are not random coincidences.

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - rikforto - 20-02-2026

(20-02-2026, 07:43 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You need to read Enoch. And look at the Voynich. After a while, it will start to make sense to you.

The problem I'm driving at is that if I stare at the herbals too long I start to wonder if it is not some herbal for the Garden of Eden. Even if I were actually convinced of this (I am not), I would have no idea how to convince you of this. 

Because it turns out, if I asked you to stare at it for awhile you will start to see The Book of Enoch. We have recently had someone see Irish everywhere, including in the German bits. There is a longtime theorist who thinks its a Greek text. Someone else found an entire story about evacuating before a volcano. Still another has gone all in on a match with a particular Chinese medical text based on apparent matches. Last I saw, the woman who stared at it for months until it turned into a Medici fertility manual was chugging along with her translation. (ETA: I realized that this could be read as all these theorists having the same kind and quality of additional evidence beyond their gazing to think the text is as they say it is; this is not my position. Only that the breadth of what people see when they open the VMS is astounding.)

Looking at the Voynich is an excellent way to develop a personal theory of the text. It does not usually help other people see it the way you do.

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Philipp Harland - 20-02-2026

Another crackpot theory? At least this one isn't using GrokplexityGPTSeek or whatever the hell so that's better than nothing.

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Jorge_Stolfi - 21-02-2026

(20-02-2026, 03:06 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The reason is that the author probably had access to the lost texts of Enoch. (rediscovered in the 20th century). In order to preserve the text, or to be able to bring it out, he had to encrypt it. That is why angels do not have wings. The text looks like a herbarium and a recipe book, etc.

Aren't those the texts "discovered" as being still part of the Ethiopian canon of the Bible? Weren't they "discovered" in the 18th century or so?

All the best, --stolfi

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 21-02-2026

(20-02-2026, 11:35 PM)Philipp Harland Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another crackpot theory? At least this one isn't using GrokplexityGPTSeek or whatever the hell so that's better than nothing.

Yes, that's right, I don't use AI to analyze pictures because it's a symbolic language, and AI can't see it without mathematical formulas yet.

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 21-02-2026

(21-02-2026, 12:42 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(20-02-2026, 03:06 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The reason is that the author probably had access to the lost texts of Enoch. (rediscovered in the 20th century). In order to preserve the text, or to be able to bring it out, he had to encrypt it. That is why angels do not have wings. The text looks like a herbarium and a recipe book, etc.

Aren't those the texts "discovered" as being still part of the Ethiopian canon of the Bible? Weren't they "discovered" in the 18th century or so?

All the best, --stolfi

The first Book of Enoch was found complete in Ethiopia in the Ge'ez language in the 18th century. The second Book of Enoch was rediscovered in the 19th century in Old Church Slavonic. But the Voynich manuscript contains both. The author of the Voynich manuscript probably had access in the 15th century to a book with both Enochs in one language (probably the original Greek, or Aramaic, or Coptic, or another). This book exists somewhere. Part of Enoch is quoted in the Vatican Fragments. What if there is more in the Vatican and the author of the Voynich manuscript had access to it.

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Jorge_Stolfi - 21-02-2026

(21-02-2026, 08:12 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The first Book of Enoch was found complete in Ethiopia in the Ge'ez language in the 18th century.

You mean You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.? Is it useful to you?

All the best, --stolfi

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - JustAnotherTheory - 21-02-2026

(20-02-2026, 07:43 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am attaching one of the first pages that I deciphered thanks to the description of the words reptiles, fish, etc. You need to read Enoch. And look at the Voynich. After a while, it will start to make sense to you.

Oh, great! Except, there are a few problems with that:

  1. You did not decipher enything. The text remains undeciphered on that page.
  2. There are no feathered birds on this page.
  3. There are no fishes on this page
  4. You have no explanation for the tubes.
  5. You have no explanation for the many naked dancing women.


RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 21-02-2026

(21-02-2026, 09:23 AM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(20-02-2026, 07:43 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am attaching one of the first pages that I deciphered thanks to the description of the words reptiles, fish, etc. You need to read Enoch. And look at the Voynich. After a while, it will start to make sense to you.

Oh, great! Except, there are a few problems with that:

  1. You did not decipher enything. The text remains undeciphered on that page.
  2. There are no feathered birds on this page.
  3. There are no fishes on this page
  4. You have no explanation for the tubes.
  5. You have no explanation for the many naked dancing women.

I'm sorry you can't see the obvious objects on folio f79v. Just negating everything is not the way to opposition. This is a flow diagram where there are inlets to the pipe, along the pipe route there are branches into which components are mixed. After mixing, the product comes out of the pipe. That is an explanation for mathematical and engineering minds. I can do both, but Voynich must be solved with imagination.

RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 21-02-2026

(21-02-2026, 08:50 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(21-02-2026, 08:12 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The first Book of Enoch was found complete in Ethiopia in the Ge'ez language in the 18th century.

You mean You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.? Is it useful to you?

All the best, --stolfi

Thank you very much, it will definitely come in handy. I also have the original text of Enoch in Ge'ez. I am attaching a sample of the texts in different languages.