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RE: Many-to-one - Koen G - 12-02-2026
The problem is that there are serious signs of structural chatbot involvement, both in vocabulary and solution type.
RE: Many-to-one - Typpi - 12-02-2026
(12-02-2026, 11:12 PM)vosreth Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is that real text or AI generated? Definitely some real oddities there like ending in a (should be only 0.7% of words).
I don't have a clean explanation on how to read that double nominative in otdarir or double head in okody, or yady being so short with double closure
You don't get any translation at all from this?
We had an interesting translation in another thread for it so that's why I'm asking.
Trying to see if it reveals similar information/words in both. It's on a plant page.
RE: Many-to-one - vosreth - 13-02-2026
(12-02-2026, 11:24 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The problem is that there are serious signs of structural chatbot involvement, both in vocabulary and solution type.
I definitely do use those tools heavily, I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
(12-02-2026, 11:28 PM)Typpi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-02-2026, 11:12 PM)vosreth Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is that real text or AI generated? Definitely some real oddities there like ending in a (should be only 0.7% of words).
I don't have a clean explanation on how to read that double nominative in otdarir or double head in okody, or yady being so short with double closure
You don't get any translation at all from this?
We had an interesting translation in another thread for it so that's why I'm asking.
Trying to see if it reveals similar information/words in both. It's on a plant page.
You would translate these glyphs the same way each time, so you can also try it yourself based on what I outlined in the first post.
The structural annotation is the only "real" translation and the gloss is semantic interpretation, and can only be guessed. Something like:
s - BACK-REF - the aforementioned
a - LINKER - [in role of] - no role marker here, I've seen this sometimes before ch/sh, but before k it's rather strange
k - DEF - definite - strange to see this without the associated o
d - VERB - acts
a - LINKER - [in role of] - expects role marker that never arrives, this would normally be y probably after d
.
q - DEM - this
o - HEAD - thing
a - LINKER - [in role of]
i - SPEC(low) - [low specificity]
r - NOM - subject
y - CLOSE - [close]
.
t - INDEF - a/some - strange to see this without the associated o
a - LINKER - [in role of]
r - NOM - subject
ch - OPENER - [opens frame]
a - LINKER - [in role of]
i - SPEC(low) - [low specificity]
n - OBL - object - frame doesn't close, peculiar
.
a - LINKER - [in role of]
r - NOM - subject
.
s - BACK-REF - the aforementioned
a - LINKER - [in role of]
m - COMPLETIVE - result/into
y - CLOSE - [close] - what does this close, the ch from above?
.
d - VERB - acts - if the daiin interpretation is correct, this could be "use"
ch - OPENER - [opens frame]
e - PROCESS-MOD - [in manner]
l - BOUNDARY - [boundary, continues]
.
o - HEAD - thing
t - INDEF - a/some
d - VERB - acts
a - LINKER - [in role of]
r - NOM - subject
i - SPEC(low) - [low specificity]
r - NOM - subject - double nominative is strange
.
y - CLOSE - [can also act as resume ~15% of time]
a - LINKER - [in role of] - would look more normal if this was absent
d - VERB - acts
y - CLOSE - [close]
.
o - HEAD - thing
k - DEF - definite
o - HEAD - thing - double head is surprisingly common, but not sure how this should be interpreted? Thing-of-the-thing?
d - VERB - does
y - CLOSE - close
.
d - VERB - does
ch - OPENER - [opens frame]
r - NOM - subject - typically there would be at least a before this
l - BOUNDARY - [boundary, continues]
Normally in Voynichese, when you see ch or sh, you can expect y somewhere not so far away. That doesn't seem to be the case here.
RE: Many-to-one - Koen G - 13-02-2026
As soon as you talk to a chatbot about and allow it to have input, your work is contaminated, as is clear from the fact that users immediately point it out as a typical AI product. This is not allowed on the forum.