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RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - zvijezda - 30-12-2025
(30-12-2025, 10:19 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My objection to doing OP's research for them is that the VM clearly has (in appearance) a much broader scope. It's got all the months. Too many plants. Much more than "take a bath". Much more than the one thing that vaguely has the shape of a modern textbook diagram of the uterus..
Also kind of feels like an LLM dump-and-run...
I mean, this isn't exactly a fringe theory. No one is claiming to have solved anything, just sharing resources and ideas. Providing academic sources is more than most internet sleuths care to do, I'm not sure why it's being met with condescension.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - ReneZ - 31-12-2025
(30-12-2025, 06:06 PM)zvijezda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I mean, this isn't exactly a fringe theory. No one is claiming to have solved anything, just sharing resources and ideas. Providing academic sources is more than most internet sleuths care to do, I'm not sure why it's being met with condescension.
I think that it is being met with fair criticism. Note that this isn't the first time that this hypothesis is being brought forward. In recent years, Kaegan Brewer and Michelle Lewis have done quite a deep study on the same topic, resulting in several peer-reviewed publications, among others at the Voynich conference in 2022.
They also weren't the first, but they undoubtedly had the deepest and most extensive research on this topic.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - zvijezda - 31-12-2025
(31-12-2025, 12:23 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(30-12-2025, 06:06 PM)zvijezda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I mean, this isn't exactly a fringe theory. No one is claiming to have solved anything, just sharing resources and ideas. Providing academic sources is more than most internet sleuths care to do, I'm not sure why it's being met with condescension.
I think that it is being met with fair criticism. Note that this isn't the first time that this hypothesis is being brought forward. In recent years, Kaegan Brewer and Michelle Lewis have done quite a deep study on the same topic, resulting in several peer-reviewed publications, among others at the Voynich conference in 2022.
They also weren't the first, but they undoubtedly had the deepest and most extensive research on this topic.
I'm fully aware this is not a new theory, just engaging with someone who put their thoughts on the forum and received no response. Nothing about their post glaringly suggests it was written using generative AI to me, and they spent nearly 40 minutes online.
I don't think there's any reason to criticize me, I simply drew parallels to a paper on 15th century fertility practices (in Northern Italy, where some speculate the manuscript originated).
This is a very strange welcome to the forum. I suspect people claim who the Voynich is written in Old Turkish using a simple substitution cipher are better received...
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - ReneZ - 31-12-2025
It may not always be clear which is better: getting no response at all, or getting critical questions.
Both will be disappointing for someone proposing their ideas, but the second is of course much more useful.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - zvijezda - 31-12-2025
(31-12-2025, 12:46 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It may not always be clear which is better: getting no response at all, or getting critical questions.
Both will be disappointing for someone proposing their ideas, but the second is of course much more useful.
You are aware I am not the OP, yes? I'm not "disappointed" because I didn't propose any theory, I responded to their post with some support. No one claimed to have solved the Voynich. Refer to my comment where I say that this isn't exactly a fringe theory.
Again, there is zero need for the condescending act. You're not being didactic. Just be a normal person, it will be okay.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - tavie - 31-12-2025
zvijezda, as far as I can see, no one seems to be confusing you for the OP apart from...you, when you seem to be equating potential criticism of the OP's post for criticism of you.
Let's get this thread back on topic, please.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - zvijezda - 31-12-2025
(31-12-2025, 01:23 AM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.zvijezda, as far as I can see, no one seems to be confusing you for the OP apart from...you, when you seem to be equating potential criticism of the OP's post for criticism of you.
Let's get this thread back on topic, please.
Maybe re-read the thread?
Koen G: "This theory would benefit from some specific examples, and especially reference to 15th century practices."
Yes, I supplied a relevant link in the very first comment.
bi3mw supplied a dissertation only pertaining to plants used in women's medicine generally and received 4 "thanks".
I ask if anyone actually reviewed the paper I linked.
Koen G: Let's not do OP's research for them
I don't understand the goal of this forum. It seems like more of a sewing circle.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - tavie - 31-12-2025
Still can't see how that shows anyone confusing you for the OP, but it doesn't matter. You seem to be trying to stir up an argument here with various people. Please let it go.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - zvijezda - 31-12-2025
(31-12-2025, 02:45 AM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Still can't see how that shows anyone confusing you for the OP, but it doesn't matter. You seem to be trying to stir up an argument here with various people. Please let it go.I'm not sure why this is an important detail. Rene accused me of feeling attacked due to people critiquing my theory when I never posited a theory at all and I'm not the OP. That is what that comment was referring to.
If me asking why there is so much hostility surrounding me sharing an academic source related to the OP's theory is "trying to stir up an argument" then, sure.
RE: Viewing the MS as a guide to conception and pregnancy - tavie - 31-12-2025
No one is hostile to you sharing an academic source relevant to the OP's theory, and I don't believe anyone accused you of feeling attacked. There are other interpretations you could make of the posts you reference. But you are making negative assumptions about people's intentions in this thread and in a way that is derailing it.
Third time - let's keep this thread on topic.