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RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 26-04-2025
(26-04-2025, 11:37 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Indeed, the point here is that four centuries later, in the early 15th century, the unknown scribes likely used elements of the Beneventan script to create the cipher.(26-04-2025, 06:45 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Notice several cipher-like letters (enclosed in red)
Ligatures actually: "cie", "re", and a missing "h" added above the word.
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RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - nablator - 27-04-2025
(26-04-2025, 11:51 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Indeed, the point here is that four centuries later, in the early 15th century, the unknown scribes likely used elements of the Beneventan script to create the cipher.
Very unlikely. The U is not specifically Beneventan. The only similarity is the "re" that looks almost like k but the r is lower.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 27-04-2025
(27-04-2025, 12:05 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Beneventan script was still used in isolated locations during the 15th century.(26-04-2025, 11:51 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Indeed, the point here is that four centuries later, in the early 15th century, the unknown scribes likely used elements of the Beneventan script to create the cipher.
Very unlikely. The U is not specifically Beneventan. The only similarity is the "re" that looks almost like k but the r is lower.
Also, the shape of the Beneventan letter 't' (with bow) could possibly be related to the creation of the bench and the benched gallows.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 27-04-2025
(26-04-2025, 10:49 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The second symbol of the red embellishment on the right-hand side of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. resembles another letter from the Beneventan script (from the Bari Exultet Roll).Note that the Latin text is "amisisse caliginem" and the second symbol of the red embellishment on the right-hand side of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. resembles the Beneventan letter 'c'.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 27-04-2025
The Latin text of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. starts with "OBSCULTA, o fili, præcepta magistri..." and the shield represents the letter 'O' in "Obsculta" (Listen).
![[Image: Beneventan.jpeg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Beneventan.jpeg)
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 27-04-2025
Could the possibly unfinished drawing in folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. be related to the life of Saint Benedict of Nursia?
According to one story, "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."
The drawing depicts a bird resembling a raven and a seemingly hiding person.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 27-04-2025
Attached is one more example of the sideways 'm' (here written at the end of a word) in Beneventan script, see also Fig. 106 in the following source:
Rozana Vojvoda, Dalmatian Illuminated Manuscripts Written in Beneventan Script and Benedectine Scriptoria in Zadar, Dubrovnik and Trogir, PhD Dissertation in Medieval Studies, Department of Medieval Studies, Central European University, Budapest, Hungary, April 2011, Available: <https://www.etd.ceu.edu/2011/mphvor01.pdf>.
It seems that the second red embellishment in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. depicts three Beneventan letters, a two-letter ligature and the sideways 'm' in the middle.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 27-04-2025
Here is a Beneventan depiction of a symbol combination (in Fig. 200 of the dissertation of Rozana Vojvoda, described as a "g" with the suprascript "o" for ergo) having some similarity (but not identical) with the first symbol in the red embellishment on the right-hand side of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
The easily identifiable sideways 'm' is also depicted.
This fragment originates from the monastery of St. Mary on the island of Mljet.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 28-04-2025
(26-04-2025, 08:43 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... Almost nothing starts with "um-"...Let's have a list of Latin words starting with "um-":
umbra : shade, shadow;
umerus humerus : shoulder, upper arm;
umquam : ever, at any time;
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