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RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - Gregor - 11-08-2025
Do you know the expression "ab ovo"?
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Yes, I know it very well. I studied Latin in high school. I remember well another interesting expression: „Qui ova numerat, pullos non gignit.”
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - Aga Tentakulus - 26-06-2026
(11-08-2025, 06:25 PM)Gregor Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you know the expression "ab ovo"?
Ovo?
And I always thought “Ovo” was a chocolate drink.
Swiss advertising slogan: "häsch Dinii Ovo hüt scho ghaa" “Have you had your Ovo today?”
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RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - Gregor - 26-06-2026
(26-06-2026, 05:42 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(11-08-2025, 06:25 PM)Gregor Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you know the expression "ab ovo"?
Ovo?
And I always thought “Ovo” was a chocolate drink.
Swiss advertising slogan: "häsch Dinii Ovo hüt scho ghaa" “Have you had your Ovo today?”
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You'd have to be remarkably blinded by the urge to take a jab at someone to not even check who actually wrote "ab ovo" and instead reflexively attribute it to the wrong person. It was Jorge Stolfi who used the expression first; I merely referred to his earlier post. Next time, it would be worth reading the thread carefully before reaching for sarcasm. Otherwise, what comes across isn't wit, but an embarrassing lack of attention.
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - eggyk - 26-06-2026
(26-06-2026, 06:00 AM)Gregor Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You'd have to be remarkably blinded by the urge to take a jab at someone to not even check who actually wrote "ab ovo" and instead reflexively attribute it to the wrong person. It was Jorge Stolfi who used the expression first; I merely referred to his earlier post. Next time, it would be worth reading the thread carefully before reaching for sarcasm. Otherwise, what comes across isn't wit, but an embarrassing lack of attention.
1) The reason the quote is misattributed to you is because the quote isn't done correctly in your post
2) I think it was a joke
This is a joke though, right? You don't seriously believe the VMS predicted the future?
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - Gregor - 26-06-2026
(26-06-2026, 09:23 AM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-06-2026, 06:00 AM)Gregor Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You'd have to be remarkably blinded by the urge to take a jab at someone to not even check who actually wrote "ab ovo" and instead reflexively attribute it to the wrong person. It was Jorge Stolfi who used the expression first; I merely referred to his earlier post. Next time, it would be worth reading the thread carefully before reaching for sarcasm. Otherwise, what comes across isn't wit, but an embarrassing lack of attention.
1) The reason the quote is misattributed to you is because the quote isn't done correctly in your post
2) I think it was a joke
This is a joke though, right? You don't seriously believe the VMS predicted the future?
As for the first point — I maintain my position — this is a manifestation of exceptional impulsiveness that blinds rational thinking. My post was located in the second segment of that thread. It was enough to go back to the first segment and the matter would have been clarified. But no — anger and the desire to “get at” someone like me was stronger than the ability to think.
[*]As for the second point of your statement: it was not a joke, but rather a poor attempt at irony.
As for your question: this is not a matter of belief, but of a carefully considered and documented analysis of all the illustrations contained in the Voynich Manuscript. To be precise: the VMS does not predict the future, it sees the future. Those who compiled the manuscript knew what they were encoding. This is not a matter of forecasting, but of access to a “information cloud.”
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - eggyk - 26-06-2026
(26-06-2026, 09:57 AM)Gregor Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To be precise: the VMS does not predict the future, it sees the future.
lol
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - oshfdk - 26-06-2026
(26-06-2026, 09:57 AM)Gregor Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To be precise: the VMS does not predict the future, it sees the future. Those who compiled the manuscript knew what they were encoding. This is not a matter of forecasting, but of access to a "information cloud."
Ok, suppose there is such thing as the information cloud and the creators of the manuscripts had access. Even under this bold if not outright crazy assumption, the sequence of topics you found in the images makes little sense.
Why does the manuscript focus so much on recent events from our time specifically?
For example, the COVID pandemic while tragic for many had relatively mild global impact compared to the flu of 1918-20, let alone the Plague and many other past pandemics, which are not mentioned in your list. Breakup of Yugoslavia, while very consequential for those living in the Balkans, is probably of much lower impact than the Fall of Rome, which again is not in the list. About 40% of the entries on your list fall between 1900 and 2026. I would expect the medieval researchers of the information cloud to be more focused on their immediate future. For example the discovery of the Americas would greatly affect the life in Europe starting less than 100 years after the manuscript was probably crafted, but there is only a cursory mention of "Wars with the Indians in North America".
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - Gregor - 26-06-2026
OK, your suggestions are interesting, and I would like to respond to them.
First, according to the history of life on Earth and world history, the earliest stages of evolution and the development of life lasted the longest, covering immensely long periods of time compared to later eras. The same pattern can be seen in the history of civilizations and empires - their lifespans became progressively shorter over time. For this reason, the earliest illustrations in the VMS only signal the most significant events from these vast historical periods.
As time progresses, the increasing density of historical events means that each successive illustration covers a much shorter period. This does not mean that modern events are more important than earlier ones. Rather, it suggests that the manuscript's narrative becomes increasingly detailed as it approaches its culminating point.
The fact that certain illustrations appear while others do not, and the selection of the events they encode, is a decision made by the creators of the manuscript. I am not the one deciding which events are represented. My role is simply to interpret the illustrations and attempt to match them with specific historical events.
Not every event of great historical importance had to be represented directly. It is also possible that some historical processes were depicted symbolically or through events that were their consequences rather than through their most obvious manifestations. Therefore, the absence of an explicit illustration of events such as the discovery of America or the fall of the Roman Empire does not, by itself, mean that they are absent from the manuscript's narrative.
One thing, however, is clear: the precision of the narrative appears to increase as it approaches what seems to be its culminating point. If my interpretation is correct, that turning point is the decoding of the manuscript itself. It is a fact that people have tried to decipher it for centuries, but only now has the possibility of decoding it finally emerged.
It is also worth noting that my interpretation of the herbal (historical) section ends at folio 52v. Beyond that point, there are still additional folios in this section. The story does not end with the present day - there are more events to come.
The question is whether I know, or at least have an idea of, what those future folios represent. My answer is this: the farther I move beyond folio 52v, the less certain my interpretations become. Nevertheless, I believe I understand their overall message.
The narrative follows the same general pattern as the Bible. It begins in a manner comparable to the first book of the Old Testament, Genesis (folio 1r), and concludes in a way that corresponds, in my interpretation, to the final book of the New Testament - the Book of Revelation (folio 66v).
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - oshfdk - 26-06-2026
(26-06-2026, 11:29 AM)Gregor Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If my interpretation is correct, that turning point is the decoding of the manuscript itself. It is a fact that people have tried to decipher it for centuries, but only now has the possibility of decoding it finally emerged.
Doesn't this mean we can just wait until it's decoded, there is no need to do anything about this in particular? If the information cloud hypothesis is correct and the future is set in stone, I assume the manuscript will be decoded and it cannot be decoded earlier or later than predicted.
Do you think it's possible your own decoding efforts are reflected in the manuscript? Are any images in the manuscript reminiscent of anything or anyone that has anything to do with voynich.ninja?
As a side note, would be interesting to try interpreting the Rosettes as a map of various theories about the Voynich manuscript. Like "the wall of substitution", "Chinese corner", "Bavarian valley", "the mountain of the text is not a text".
RE: The herbal section of the Voynich Manuscript is the historical part. - ololololo - 26-06-2026
Now I am convinced that in the end, without finding any solutions, people will be ready to take the most drastic measures...
It seems to me that there is no point in criticism. Your theory is based on your erroneous interpretation, which you have accepted as the absolute truth.