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RE: I found Gaia-Gea - Koen G - 21-12-2016
Bunny, this thread is from many theories ago...
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - bunny - 22-12-2016
(21-12-2016, 09:36 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bunny, this thread is from many theories ago...
I'm not sure what that reply means. Is the theory disputed, ignored, given up on?
Anyway, I am mostly finished translating Stellar's script as shown below:
"uounen
uoe-- et uoiia men u cuoiien et en uo-- en oiuse-- uoiiu -uia uoiiud uoiud e-- sg-a uoun sena uoiuen sen e-nsa"
It is astronomical and factual. Not quite finished but tomorrow maybe. The only thing I can come up with for this is that Stellar may be joking with us, it is too accurate not to be a hoax. If Stella insists he is honest with his results then why is no one listening to him? All I see are put downs and jibes. I am sorry to go on about this but the words he presents are accurate, correct and factual but like he just misses out the final step in translation. I really am not joking about this but it just seems to get lost in the background.
Bunny
(22-12-2016, 12:51 AM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(21-12-2016, 09:36 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bunny, this thread is from many theories ago...
I'm not sure what that reply means. Is the theory disputed, ignored, given up on?
Anyway, I am mostly finished translating Stellar's script as shown below:
"uounen
uoe-- et uoiia men u cuoiien et en uo-- en oiuse-- uoiiu -uia uoiiud uoiud e-- sg-a uoun sena uoiuen sen e-nsa"
It is astronomical and factual. Not quite finished but tomorrow maybe. The only thing I can come up with for this is that Stellar may be joking with us, it is too accurate not to be a hoax. If Stella insists he is honest with his results then why is no one listening to him? All I see are put downs and jibes. I am sorry to go on about this but the words he presents are accurate, correct and factual but like he just misses out the final step in translation. I really am not joking about this but it just seems to get lost in the background.
Bunny
PS, have not found Gai-gea though but other astronomical factual data.
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - ThomasCoon - 22-12-2016
Hi Bunny. What Koen means is that Stellar has published many theories about translating Voynichese paragraphs. Some involve numerology, some gematria, and I'm not sure about this one - but I believe he stopped working on it several months ago, because his last post in this thread was March 2016.
Quote:It is astronomical and factual. Not quite finished but tomorrow maybe. The only thing I can come up with for this is that Stellar may be joking with us, it is too accurate not to be a hoax. If Stellar insists he is honest with his results then why is no one listening to him? All I see are put downs and jibes. I am sorry to go on about this but the words he presents are accurate, correct and factual but like he just misses out the final step in translation. I really am not joking about this but it just seems to get lost in the background.
Very respectfully the language that stellar claims to have decoded is not Latin. I have a college degree in Classics (heavy in Latin) and 9 years of translating Latin, and the language is simply not Latin or any dialect / language related to Latin.
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - bunny - 22-12-2016
(22-12-2016, 03:07 AM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:It is astronomical and factual. Not quite finished but tomorrow maybe. The only thing I can come up with for this is that Stellar may be joking with us, it is too accurate not to be a hoax. If Stellar insists he is honest with his results then why is no one listening to him? All I see are put downs and jibes. I am sorry to go on about this but the words he presents are accurate, correct and factual but like he just misses out the final step in translation. I really am not joking about this but it just seems to get lost in the background.
Very respectfully the language that stellar claims to have decoded is not Latin. I have a college degree in Classics (heavy in Latin) and 9 years of translating Latin, and the language is simply not Latin or any dialect / language related to Latin.
Respectfully in return his work is of interest to me and my own particular view for very specific reasons. Given the premise I have that the text/glyphs are representative of more than one language, the essence of what is meant rather than conjugated endings and full sentences, the stem and few words can carry information. I do agree with you that "read a book" Latin is not there but it doesn't stop the essence being readable in the oubliette. What Stellar produces by all his various means has meaning to me, not something I can pretend otherwise, being in essence information - in which correct grammar does not need to play a role. As you are a Latin expert I don't think this approach would be of interest to you, and I'm sure many are working on a standard Latin approach to the text, with a unique back workable 1:1 solution. This research is however not my area. His work is also reflective of results of others, though again I stress the language used or method or how ungrammatical it may be does not detract from the results I have seen others produce of the same thread.
I'm guessing it's still as clear as mud on where I'm going for the moment. I will get to that in due course.
Bunny
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - -JKP- - 22-12-2016
(22-12-2016, 09:06 PM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Respectfully in return his work is of interest to me and my own particular view for very specific reasons. Given the premise I have that the text/glyphs are representative of more than one language, the essence of what is meant rather than conjugated endings and full sentences, the stem and few words can carry information. I do agree with you that "read a book" Latin is not there but it doesn't stop the essence being readable in the oubliette. What Stellar produces by all his various means has meaning to me, not something I can pretend otherwise, being in essence information - in which correct grammar does not need to play a role. As you are a Latin expert I don't think this approach would be of interest to you, and I'm sure many are working on a standard Latin approach to the text, with a unique back workable 1:1 solution. This research is however not my area. His work is also reflective of results of others, though again I stress the language used or method or how ungrammatical it may be does not detract from the results I have seen others produce of the same thread.
I'm guessing it's still as clear as mud on where I'm going for the moment. I will get to that in due course.
Bunny
Bunny, I'm curious. Do any of these "results of others" that seem to you to have validity include translations of manuscript pages without images?
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - bunny - 22-12-2016
(22-12-2016, 10:37 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(22-12-2016, 09:06 PM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.His work is also reflective of results of others, though again I stress the language used or method or how ungrammatical it may be does not detract from the results I have seen others produce of the same thread.
I'm guessing it's still as clear as mud on where I'm going for the moment. I will get to that in due course.
Bunny
Bunny, I'm curious. Do any of these "results of others" that seem to you to have validity include translations of manuscript pages without images?
There are not so many pages without images of some kind to be sure, 5 I think, so maybe only image folios have been looked at by people, but text alone should be able to be done in the same manner. The subjects covered often have nothing to do with the text though and if without images includes the recipe section at the back then yes.
Bunny
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - ThomasCoon - 23-12-2016
(22-12-2016, 09:06 PM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Respectfully in return his work is of interest to me and my own particular view for very specific reasons. Given the premise I have that the text/glyphs are representative of more than one language, the essence of what is meant rather than conjugated endings and full sentences, the stem and few words can carry information. I do agree with you that "read a book" Latin is not there but it doesn't stop the essence being readable in the oubliette. What Stellar produces by all his various means has meaning to me, not something I can pretend otherwise, being in essence information - in which correct grammar does not need to play a role. As you are a Latin expert I don't think this approach would be of interest to you, and I'm sure many are working on a standard Latin approach to the text, with a unique back workable 1:1 solution. This research is however not my area. His work is also reflective of results of others, though again I stress the language used or method or how ungrammatical it may be does not detract from the results I have seen others produce of the same thread.
I'm guessing it's still as clear as mud on where I'm going for the moment. I will get to that in due course.
Bunny
Hey Bunny,
It is a great idea that the VMS shows more than one language. That may very well be the case. The only problem I have is with the segment I bolded - the words given are unfortunately very very far from Latin. If they were supposed to be Latin, I honestly do not know what they were intended to be. I will mark the words in red which are not Latin words (either grammatical or ungrammatical):
uoe-- et uoiia men u cuoiien et en uo-- en oiuse-- uoiiu -uia uoiiud uoiud e-- sg-a uoun sena uoiuen sen e-nsa"
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - bunny - 23-12-2016
(23-12-2016, 02:52 AM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote pid='10135' dateline='1482437208']
Hey Bunny,
It is a great idea that the VMS shows more than one language. That may very well be the case. The only problem I have is with the segment I bolded - the words given are unfortunately very very far from Latin. If they were supposed to be Latin, I honestly do not know what they were intended to be. I will mark the words in red which are not Latin words (either grammatical or ungrammatical):
uoe-- et uoiia men u cuoiien et en uo-- en oiuse-- uoiiu -uia uoiiud uoiud e-- sg-a uoun sena uoiuen sen e-nsa"
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Prepare to be astounded! Maybe....
Seriously though, it is of a form I have come across before and something, rightly or wrongly, I can work, rightly or wrongly, with. There are missing letters up to 2 per word, longer words easier to crack due to smaller pool of choices. I know the concept of this type of method is not accepted though a number of people have determined it is a method that yields results including the late Robert Teague who I had much in common with.
Bunny
Bunny
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - Koen G - 23-12-2016
It's all glossolalia to me
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - -JKP- - 23-12-2016
(23-12-2016, 09:57 AM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(23-12-2016, 02:52 AM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote pid='10135' dateline='1482437208']
Hey Bunny,
It is a great idea that the VMS shows more than one language. That may very well be the case. The only problem I have is with the segment I bolded - the words given are unfortunately very very far from Latin. If they were supposed to be Latin, I honestly do not know what they were intended to be. I will mark the words in red which are not Latin words (either grammatical or ungrammatical):
uoe-- et uoiia men u cuoiien et en uo-- en oiuse-- uoiiu -uia uoiiud uoiud e-- sg-a uoun sena uoiuen sen e-nsa"
Prepare to be astounded! Maybe....
Seriously though, it is of a form I have come across before and something, rightly or wrongly, I can work, rightly or wrongly, with. There are missing letters up to 2 per word, longer words easier to crack due to smaller pool of choices. I know the concept of this type of method is not accepted though a number of people have determined it is a method that yields results including the late Robert Teague who I had much in common with.
Bunny
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Teague was using anagrams. Given the preponderance of vowels and the high level of repetition, shuffling the above letters doesn't do much to increase their readibility.