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RE: It cannot be a language - in reference to Koen's latest video - ddskbnbn - 19-07-2025
Book pahlavi had 12 or 13 letters, and they managed (poorly). =P What's another few letters merged..
RE: It cannot be a language - in reference to Koen's latest video - Kendiyas - 20-07-2025
I have a theory that I haven’t tested yet. Maybe some words are written in reverse, and some glyphs such as “dy” or “daiin” works like uno reverse cards. I will look into it
RE: It cannot be a language - in reference to Koen's latest video - Battler - 30-07-2025
(16-11-2024, 03:46 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It doesn't need to be a cipher. Hiragana and katakana, sure, are not alphabets, but they have two shifters - the dakuten, which voices the consonants, and the handakuten which turns h or f into p (and k into ng / ŋ in the transcription of some dialects which turn intervocalic -g- into -ŋ-). There's no reason why something similar couldn't be applied to an alphabet, so bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz which is itself really two sounds less at least in Latin because c, k, and q represent the same sound in different context, so we already get bcdfghjlmnprstvxz, and with a voicing marker, we can in turn turn that into cfhjlmnprstx + voicing marker, yielding only 12 consonant signs.zamolxe Wrote:About the alphabet. An 24 letter alphabet can be written using 13 signs, 12 letters and one "joker"/shifter. If the joker is attached to a letter, it will change/shift it to another letter (second meaning). So the alphabet will be represented both by single signs and bigrams.
That's a special case of a verbose cipher, a scenario that is often considered. An implication is that Voynichese spaces cannot be trusted, because Voynich words are not longer than plain-text words.
Now, a language with the consonant inventory of Medieval Japanese would have f m n r s t y w - only eight consonants, nine if also counting N, ie. syllabic n, and five vowels - a i u e o. Vowel length, phonetic in Japanese, can also been marked with a diactiric, see eg. the Latin apex, which marked exactly vowel length, which happens to also be phonetic in Latin. So Medieval Japanese, for example, would easily be written with only fourteen letters and two diactritics, with the caveat, that y and w could themselves be written as diacritics, see eg. how palatalized e in Czech is written ě.
In addition, double / long consonants can also be written as diacritics or abbreviated, hence how Spanish ñ originated from nn.
RE: It cannot be a language - in reference to Koen's latest video - voynichrose - 09-09-2025
The author of the voynich wrote down some abstract characters then he did this with some words.
saljfa;lj
done
eojuru
help
doif
go
These words were from a book in some language yet the voynich is scrambled beyond a cipher. And the book maybe lost! So we will never decode the voynich final answer.
RE: It cannot be a language - in reference to Koen's latest video - Jorge_Stolfi - 09-09-2025
(30-07-2025, 10:50 PM)Battler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Vowel length, phonetic in Japanese, can also been marked with a diactiric,
In hiragana, long vowels are marked by adding an extra pure-vowel character:
ま = ma, あ = a, まあ = mā
と = to, う = u, とう = tō
Syllables with vowel "-o" should logically be lengthened with お = o, but う = u, is traditionally used instead.
In katakana, vowel lengthening is indicated by a dash:
ト = to, トー = tō
Besides the two diacritics described in the previous post, hiragana and katakana use a small subscripted prefix, つ or ツ respectively, to indicate Italian-like "doubling" of the following consonant:
かっこ = kakko = parentheses
かこ = kako = the past
All the best, --jorge