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RE: Voynich Manuscript year dated 1111 - stellar - 26-02-2016
(26-02-2016, 02:48 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.According to the substitution code you posted, that doesn't say "sunrtusa" (anagram for Saturnus), it says "sunrdusa" which could just as easily mean "Surandus" (ancient musical instruments) or "Sudranus" or "sud Urans" (south Urans) or "sud ranus" (south Ranus) or "sun radus" or "sun duras" (harsh sun) or "sundrasu" (disintegrate).
When you apply a substitution code to a word here or there that doesn't work for the rest of the text, then you have to ask yourself whether the similarity to recognizable words is coincidental or due to the basic similarity of vowel-consonant balance in most languages.
JKP
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RE: Voynich Manuscript year dated 1111 - -JKP- - 26-02-2016
(26-02-2016, 08:51 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-02-2016, 02:48 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
There's no possibility that I have an agenda against your work.
What I have is a belief that claims should be based on good research, good methods, and an ability to describe and defend those claims and methods.
You misread EVA-s as EVA-r and you arbitrarily anagramed the letters. That is not defensible unless you can provide a larger block of text that follows the same method and yields results. So far you haven't.
Anagrams were quite common in medieval ciphered texts, but they are not random, they used a method and usually stuck to it pretty consistently (e.g., reversing every letter pair). If they didn't how would you unsnarl the text to read it back? It's not practical to make it random.
Also, you switch languages whenever it's convenient to choose a different one to interpret your "words" to try to make them into something, but that's not defensible either without a larger block showing author's intent to do it that way. It's quite possible there are several languages in this text. Almost every literate person knew their home language plus Latin and frequently Greek. One of Kircher's friends knew 24 languages, but you can't construct those languages using anagrams to suit your whims.
I'm not criticizing you based on any personal agenda. I am offering criticism of your methods so that you can more fruitfully apply that energy to re-assess what you have done and hopefully come up with something more defensible.