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RE: about 「Handy table」by Ptolemaios - MarcoP - 31-05-2023
(31-05-2023, 06:16 PM)februs Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(30-05-2023, 08:58 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are many copies of the so-called handy tables, but it is only this manuscript (Vat.Gr.1291, in the Vatican library) that has this particular illustration.
It is long ago that I looked at this, and I have some vague memories of what I read about it, which is probably not reliable.
Please note that Nick Pelling also wrote about it in 2017:
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the site explains that the pic is 「 A beautifully illustrated copy of Ptolemy’s Handy Tables」.
so is the pic handy table, isn't it? (@_@)
No, according to Nick Pelling, manuscript Vat. Gr. 1291 is "a beautifully illustrated copy of Ptolemy’s Handy Tables".
While the pic is "a circular astrological / zodiacal diagram".
So, a correct way to refer to this illustration is "the circular diagram in ms Vat.Gr.1291 f.9r".
Scientific tables like those discussed here are squared or rectangular, not circular. As an example of the actual tables from the manuscript, check f.10v 11r: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(26-05-2023, 05:52 AM)februs Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can understand if Handy table was made for a specific year.
but Handy table was made for convenience.
so if Handy table was made for a long time, inconsistent with black and white woman.
what does that mean??
The circular diagram in f.9r indeed appears to refer to a specific year. I guess you haven't read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that has been linked above, because it makes the situation quite clear: scholars expressed different opinions about which year is being represented. Obviously, since the ms dates to the 9th century, the date cannot reasonably be later than that.
Rene Wrote:The labels written near the nymphs define the date and time in which the Sun enters the zodiac sign depicted in the outermost ring. Boll (1899) calculates from these labels that they are valid for the 3rd Century, but Neugebauer quotes a publication (van der Waerden, 1954) indicating that he was wrong, and that it should be 9th century instead.
RE: about 「Handy table」by Ptolemaios - februs - 04-06-2023
>MarcoP
thank you MarcoP (∩´∀｀)∩
in the other word, the really original 'handy table' written by Ptolemaios is square and is in f 10v and 11r, isn't it?
the illustration I showed (written Herios in center) is copy, isn't it?
but is it more accurate to say that it's a visual representation rather than copy?
when I hear word copy, I think of something that imitates the exact same thing.