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RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - Anton - 27-02-2023
(27-02-2023, 02:32 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.because it would preserve some of the statistical weirdness (repetitions, low correlation of word pairs)
This is just another way of saying that what we observe in the VMS is not a natural flow of text, but the result of at least some process of shuffling, is not it?
However, to this argument one may object that it may have been just word-level shuffling, so this alone does not preclude a one-to-one codebook.
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - Anton - 27-02-2023
This leaving aside the possibility of vords being differential (relative), rather than absolute, pointers - but this idea would perhaps be far too advanced to be used as early as 15th century.
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - nablator - 27-02-2023
(27-02-2023, 05:14 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is just another way of saying that what we observe in the VMS is not a natural flow of text, but the result of at least some process of shuffling, is not it?One-to-many is still possible (algorithmically, without a codebook): it keeps a low level of word pair correlation (also y.q) that shuffling would destroy.
However, to this argument one may object that it may have been just word-level shuffling, so this alone does not preclude a one-to-one codebook.
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - Aga Tentakulus - 28-02-2023
I just look at the signs and try to force them back into a system.
Various applications, whereby the symbols marked in green are definitely not a "c". At the same time, symbols marked in orange are a "c" possibility, but resemble a comma more than a "c".
If I assume the already mentioned variant "et" and "it", the combination EVA would change "ch" into an "?h". Correspondingly, from (en) into an (in). Both combinations represent a high usage form.
How high would the errors be given in % if "c" is rather a comma. How do I evaluate the spelling differences and how does this affect the variety on the text.
Since I don't use EVA or any other method, this would be useful for me.
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - Aga Tentakulus - 01-03-2023
I guess that was a bit much to take in.
As for the explanations around "8g" how it could be read, together or separately, finally a pictorial hint.
Sometimes someone makes a mistake. What does the picture mean and how can I use it?
I end with the words "Hanibal @ 8portas".
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - ErinaBee - 26-04-2025
(28-02-2023, 05:39 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I just look at the signs and try to force them back into a system.
Various applications, whereby the symbols marked in green are definitely not a "c". At the same time, symbols marked in orange are a "c" possibility, but resemble a comma more than a "c".
If I assume the already mentioned variant "et" and "it", the combination EVA would change "ch" into an "?h". Correspondingly, from (en) into an (in). Both combinations represent a high usage form.
How high would the errors be given in % if "c" is rather a comma. How do I evaluate the spelling differences and how does this affect the variety on the text.
Since I don't use EVA or any other method, this would be useful for me.
I know this thread is very old but I noticed that some of these look like Ih. (EVA: Ih)
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - BessAgritianin - 27-04-2025
(27-02-2023, 05:25 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This leaving aside the possibility of vords being differential (relative), rather than absolute, pointers - but this idea would perhaps be far too advanced to be used as early as 15th century.
In my experience the manuscript employs a non-uniform cyphering system in different sections.
Botanical substances are referenced descriptively without nomenclature.
Alchemical materials use coded words- as moon for silver; Sun for gold and so on
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - Koen G - 27-04-2025
Bess, I've told you before to keep your theory out of unrelated threads. This is confusing to people and derails conversations.
RE: Any chance for nomenclator? - BessAgritianin - 28-04-2025
(27-04-2025, 09:16 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bess, I've told you before to keep your theory out of unrelated threads.Koen, I understand the need to keep the threads on topic.
The author of the thread Anton suggests the question of "Two arguments against the nomenclator -cipher hypothesis ":
1) It would be unusual to encipher a whole book in such manner
2) It would require a huge nomenclator to encipher a volume of this size
And my answer is that in the different sections of the manuscript are used different systems of coding - botanical- ciphering, pharma (or alchemy) - nomenclator.
If this still falls out of the thread's scope I'd appreciate answer where such comparison fits best.
Thank You for Your moderating work!
Vessy