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RE: Examples of connected dots? - Aga Tentakulus - 23-02-2022
Maybe like this.
RE: Examples of connected dots? - MarcoP - 23-02-2022
In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Barbara Obrist shows You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (10th-11th C) 188v, with a few star-shaped points-and-lines diagram.
This You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. shows several sigils from Ashmole 341 (1265-1277, Paris?) "Liber Hermetis de XV stellis", here referenced as "Hermetis 13C". It would be great to see scans of this manuscript, but I have been unable to find any and I don't know if it was ever published.
Some planetary sigils appear in the lower margin of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view./76r. If I understand correctly, these annotations could date to the 14th century, but I am not sure. See also You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
RE: Examples of connected dots? - Antonio García Jiménez - 23-02-2022
I don't want to sound presumptuous but I think this is not difficult to understand. I told it in another thread.
In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are drawn the planetary aspects of astrology. In the middle part we see two suns and two moons because the moon moves in another circle and sometimes goes in front of the sun and sometimes behind. The diagram serves to explain the planetary aspects, which are drawn in the corners with the heads of the sun and the moon
Here is the trine:
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Here the sextile:
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Here the square
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And here the conjuction and the opposition. The little head in the middle is the earth, which is drawn with a pointed hat to represent the shadow of the eclipse when there is opposition between the sun and the moon.
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They are the major planetary aspects. Here they are represented in relation to the sun and the moon, considered planets in the middle ages. We can see these aspects outlined in many volvelles, as in this
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RE: Examples of connected dots? - Koen G - 23-02-2022
Thanks, Marco! Those are some great additional examples.
Antonio: a 16th century volvelle without connected dots/circles is not good evidence.
RE: Examples of connected dots? - MarcoP - 23-02-2022
Another copy of Liber de Quindecim Stellis: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., England, 1300 ca.
RE: Examples of connected dots? - Searcher - 23-02-2022
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![[Image: Coptic_Magical_Papyri.jpg]](https://www.archaeology.wiki/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Coptic_Magical_Papyri.jpg)
There are numerous magical coptic and greek papyri with enciphered secret words of glyphs costructed of lines and circles.
I think the VMs "faceful" diagrams are not that case, it is just for the collection. I want to pay attention that only suns and moons excepting human figures, animals and a pair of roots, have faces in the VMs. Every of the four diagrams on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is connected by a tube with the sun or the moon, so every of them has some relation to one or the other.
RE: Examples of connected dots? - Koen G - 23-02-2022
Actually these faces are stylistically the most similar to one lost face in a "small plant" on f101v. I have no idea what this could mean though.
RE: Examples of connected dots? - davidjackson - 23-02-2022
Trouble is, there are so many different interpretations of groups of four that they could all mean very different things.
For example, bottom centre could be four groups of the middle ages. Note the hairstyles. The bald person could be a serf or an unlettered person; the hat symbolises a learned person; then we could have something like the legal profession (funny hairstyle!) and above some sort of Boss (Judge? Aristocracy?).
I still like the idea of top left being a lodestone
I think each image needs to be analysed separately. They are linked by a visual symbology that the scribe followed, but this doesn't mean they are all representing the same theme.
RE: Examples of connected dots? - Searcher - 23-02-2022
In general, it could mean ages, or seasons, i. e., ages of the Moon and the Sun, and the right bottom diagram probably compares ages of the Sun to the ages of a man, meaning four annual seasons.
RE: Examples of connected dots? - Koen G - 24-02-2022
It looks like Searcher's Coptic example uses the symbols as a form of sacred writing, reserved for invocations of the names of God, angels etc. "Around him are written various sacred names, including those of God the Father and the seven archangels, written in the style of the magical symbols we call kharaktēres, with decorative circles at their points."
This may explain the ultimate origin of these symbols, though it takes us further away from the VM (early 15th century). From what I have read so far, it looks like the use in Hebrew texts was the same.