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RE: Pizan's pool party - -JKP- - 23-05-2020
Ellie Velinska posted a good nymphs-in-water image on her blog in 2013:
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It is another of the Duc de Berry manuscripts. Ellie mentions that Duc de Berry pops up frequently in her investigations. I noticed this also, before I saw the comment in her blog (which was sometime around 2016 or maybe 2017).
RE: Pizan's pool party - Koen G - 23-05-2020
I have thought this as well, though I wonder if it may be caused by mere statistics. The guy who was known more than anyone else for sponsoring illuminated manuscripts is bound to cross your path a few times.
RE: Pizan's pool party - R. Sale - 23-05-2020
Another interesting connection to Jean, Duc de Berry. So, as the number of connections increases, at what point does it potentially reach a sort of critical mass? If the VMs artist never had contact with these texts, what can account for the apparent similarities? And it's not abut the duke himself, who died in Paris in 1416, it's about his library, which, I believe, continued primarily intact for a while longer.
There is also the general connection to Paris and the works of Christine de Pizan at the same time.
Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, was also a noted bibliophile. Besides the books he inherited, he also commissioned a number of works. So one aspect of comparison is the total number of books. These later commissioned works, from the examples in the recent KBR exhibit, are mainly after 1450, with many produced in Flanders. None of these later texts, to my knowledge, have been suggested for comparison with the VMs.
If the VMs artist is borrowing ideas and influences from various external sources, those sources seem to be indicating a cumulative presence in the first half of the 1400s.
RE: Pizan's pool party - -JKP- - 23-05-2020
(23-05-2020, 05:52 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
...Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, was also a noted bibliophile. Besides the books he inherited, he also commissioned a number of works. So one aspect of comparison is the total number of books. These later commissioned works, from the examples in the recent KBR exhibit, are mainly after 1450, with many produced in Flanders. None of these later texts, to my knowledge, have been suggested for comparison with the VMs.
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There is a noticeable dropoff in similarity to the VMS in the late 1400s. I've noticed this in the zodiac styles and in the clothing styles. There are exceptions, but if you were to chart it on a curve, the curve drops.
RE: Pizan's pool party - R. Sale - 12-06-2020
Another illustration of the Muses with Pegasus
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Not as much similarity with the VMs as the good image from KBR.
RE: Pizan's pool party - bi3mw - 15-06-2020
Addendum: The illustrations in the text translated above are from BL, Harley MS 4431, so it can be assumed that the translation refers to this edition.
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