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RE: No text, but a visual code - Antonio García Jiménez - 03-09-2026
If you are referring to the cliffs, I have already discussed them and their function on this page.
I’ve told you many times that you can see whatever you want in the Rosettes—you’re perfectly free to do so. I write what I think here, and if it doesn’t convince you, it’s no big deal.
RE: No text, but a visual code - ololololo - 03-09-2026
Antonio, you really see us as enemies...
The fact that I see the rocks doesn’t mean I’m trying to dispute you out of self‑interest.Again, I allow for an alternative interpretation: these rocks/bridges are depicted in such a way as to show that the entire Rosette structure is located detached from the surface, very high up.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Antonio García Jiménez - 03-09-2026
Come on, don't use terms like that—we aren't at war. This is just a discussion forum.
I don't think you've read the latest things I've written, because you would realize that our opinions don't differ much. I also see that the rosettes are raised—a device used by the author to create a sense of height.
RE: No text, but a visual code - JustAnotherTheory - 03-09-2026
(13-04-2026, 06:52 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've posted this image of a 15th-century manuscript with the Pleiades before, but I think it's worth posting it again.
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We see seven women with a star above their heads. This image is similar to that of the female figures in the Voynich zodiac, who, instead of wearing the star above their heads, hold it in their hands. Naturally, in both cases, the women are the stars.
This is a classic example that was already featured on this site several times. If you look closer, you will also find examples of tubes in this manuscript that look exactly like those in the VMS Rosettes section.
It all relates to the imagery of a certain Michael Scot from several hundred years earlier.
Still, not much to say except that some things look alike.
Could very well be a talented modern forger's work.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Linda - 04-09-2026
(03-09-2026, 09:35 AM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It’s fine by me if you see rocks and waves, but I don’t see any of that; I think the most natural thing would be for you to start a joint thread and share your take on the Rosettes. You surely won't do it, because you prefer people to read what you write—and what better place than here?I don't think that's what's happening, I'm sorry you feel that way.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Antonio García Jiménez - 04-09-2026
Let's see if we can understand each other, Linda. You and ololololo are asking me for explanations regarding every detail of the Rosettes foldout. And I was not with the authors at the time they were creating the codex. I could not ask them the questions I would have liked to in order to satisfy you.
What I can say with certainty is that I have a clear perception—or insight—that the Rosettes represent an astrological conception of the medieval universe. And I am certain of this due to the analogy between this sheet and other cosmological pages of the Voynich—as well as the pharmaceutical section—and the internal coherence of the codex as a whole. This conviction is also rooted in my own experience and knowledge of medieval thought.
Believe me or not, but don't ask me again about every whim of the author of the Rosettes, because I wasn't there with him to ask him. I can only offer reasoned conjectures.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Oscroft - 04-09-2026
(04-09-2026, 08:40 AM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Let's see if we can understand each other, Linda. You and ololololo are asking me for explanations regarding every detail of the Rosettes foldout. And I was not with the authors at the time they were creating the codex. I could not ask them the questions I would have liked to in order to satisfy you.
I've kept out of this discussion, as I've had no real ideas of my own to offer. (And you and I got off on the wrong foot, with the tone of my initial responses less than ideal - and I'm happy to apologise for my part in that.)
But I have been following it with interest - and I've gained some interesting insights from all participants.
All I see happening here myself is Linda and ololololo asking if you have any specific thoughts on specific aspects of the Rosettes, in order to try to build upon mutual understanding - I don't see it as the kind of personal challenge that you appear to be seeing. And I really don't think anyone expects any more than, as you put it, reasoned conjectures.
And, of course, anything that anyone suggests about the VMS is guaranteed to be controversial!
Anyway, I'll revert back to lurking and learning now. Thank you to all who are helping make this an interesting read.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Antonio García Jiménez - 04-09-2026
Thank you for your kind words, Oscroft. I, too, may not have maintained the proper composure.
After all, this is a discussion forum, and one must be willing to explain what one believes using all kinds of reasons. It is not always possible to go further, as this codex is complex enough to leave questions unanswered. In any case—however difficult it may be—for me, the Voynich is not a great, unsolvable mystery, but rather a work perfectly rooted in its own era.