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RE: No text, but a visual code - Jorge_Stolfi - 19-11-2025
(19-11-2025, 08:35 AM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please explain your theory in your own thread, or create one if you don't have one. Don't use mine to do so.
You disparaged my theory here first.
All the best, --stolfi
RE: No text, but a visual code - Antonio García Jiménez - 19-11-2025
I did it after you had already started to express your ideas in this thread. Certainly, perhaps I should have stopped you sooner.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Jorge_Stolfi - 19-11-2025
Sorry if I got carried away. But the issue of retracing -- and, more generally, how the images came to be, -- is crucial for the topic of this thread. Or for any investigation about the images. That includes also the question of how detailed and accurate was the Author's draft, how much the Scribe made up or copied from other sources, how many errors he may have made, etc.
I have seen far too many deductions miscarrying because they were based on image details, like colors and nymph headgear, that are clearly not original, or were not intended to mean what they seem to mean. That was a terrible waste of time. Like (as I now see) all the efforts to make sense of the text on f116v.
As I argued in my Voynich Day talk, there is no such thing as "agnostic research" about this book. Every research effort requires making some assumptions about the events and processes that resulted in what we see today -- an "origin theory". Thus it is prudent to at least recognize one's "origin theory", and be aware of its unproven status -- and of the implications if it turns out to be incorrect.
All the best, --stolfi
RE: No text, but a visual code - Antonio García Jiménez - 19-11-2025
I understand that you're very convinced of your opinion. But I don't share it. I have very different ideas, and I'm just as convinced of mine. Therefore, if you continue to comment in this thread, our conversation will be a dialogue of the deaf. Logically, if someone wants to defend a particular theory, they should start a thread and defend it. Others can reject it, raise objections, or agree, but without straying from the topic.
I know that honestly many people here, like you, have their own ideas about the Voynich Manuscript and try to get them to the widest possible audience. I'm fortunate, and it seems that some, if not all, of my ideas are well-received, judging by how popular this thread is. And I'm guided by the same passionate conviction you have regarding your ideas.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 20-11-2025
Your imaginations are not „well-received“ or agreed in any way, and you are not „fortunate“:
you are clever enough to push your own thread up again and again on the first positions of this forum since 7 years, so readers stumble upon it regularly.
But the numbers of major threads are nearly all the same here:
a number of xx pages generates a 10x higher number of replies, each reply drags some 500 views.
Being on top means a lot more views, but it does not mean even one of your theories was right or somehow accepted ever.
You can find the described relations 1x10x~500 in posts „Voynich being Chinese“, „Voynich… phonetic irish“ and even Kris1212‘ „Voynich decoded“ - this here is not about applause and click counts, and you did not win any contest yet with guesswork about Alphonso X and Panofsky-said-it.
This reply pushes your thread up to No.1 again and is worth 500 clicks - you are welcome.
RE: No text, but a visual code - Jorge_Stolfi - 20-11-2025
(19-11-2025, 09:32 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.many people here, like you, have their own ideas about the Voynich Manuscript and try to get them to the widest possible audience
That's not at all like me.