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RE: 116v - DG97EEB - 09-08-2026
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These are all the Manuscripts that use Rex Pax Nax for example
RE: 116v - Koen G - 09-08-2026
I consulted that site to prepare for the video interview. It focuses heavily on the standard formulae, which is less useful for us.
RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 10-08-2026
@ Koen it would be possible...
But the s=8 ist missing...
RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 11-08-2026
@ Koen and Age
You wanted an example of an 8 = s that isn't at the end. I actually have one that appears at the beginning of a word:
If I'm reading that correctly, it says [...] wiltu krofßeiyer machenn So nim eier die [...]
Translated: If you want to make krofßeggs, So takes eggs which [...]
[A little later, the normal Gothic “s” appears again]
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RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 11-08-2026
And this text must still contain several of the round “s”s within words: The description states:
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"Verwendung von Schaft-s und rundem <s>: Schaft-s: initial + medial + final (bei Doppel-s); rundes <s>: final, teils medial"
Translation:
Use of the stem “s” and the round <s>: stem ‘s’: initial + medial + final (with double “s”); round <s>: final, sometimes medial
RE: 116v - Jorge_Stolfi - 11-08-2026
(11-08-2026, 09:43 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You wanted an example of an 8 = s that isn't at the end. I actually have one that appears at the beginning of a word: If I'm reading that correctly, it says [...] wiltu krofßeiyer machenn So nim eier die [...]
That may be a capital "S". The scribe may have chosen to capitalize that word for some reason.
What about other recipes: do they have the same pattern? "If you want to make stuffed peas [cap]Then take some elephant's fat..."
All the best, --stolfi
RE: 116v - Koen G - 11-08-2026
Stolfi is right, it's like a capital in this case. The question serves as some kind of title and the So nim as the start of the instructions.
I wonder what those medial short-s look like.
RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 12-08-2026
Sorry, no. “So” is a word that has to refer to something; it’s right in the middle of the sentence here. And it refers to “willtu.” (if u want) You can talk everything down, but that’s not scientific either. It’s right in the middle of the sentence here.
And as the second post makes clear, this writer does this, without any rules. You’d just have to go through the whole book and find the passages… I’ll do it little by little, whenever I’m bored—but it’s very tedious because it’s so easy to overlook these things....
What I don't understand is why this causes such surprise: It's common knowledge that a period of writing anarchy prevailed—especially in German texts and manuscripts, which were influenced by Latin writing and the attempt to adapt that style to the German language. You always act as if there were already set rules back then—but there just weren't any.
RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 12-08-2026
Here's another sentence with “Wiltu” (followed by what he wants to do) and the continuation “so”; here he writes it normally....
He just writes it differently, sometimes one way, sometimes another... for no apparent reason..
And here it would actually make even more sense, because it's at the beginning of the line...
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RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 12-08-2026
Ah, that was easier—I didn't have to read the whole book:
Here are two examples:
Erbsküchlein (Peacakes)
spislin (Skewer)
@ Koen, I said I'd find it
Can we now accept the "8" in the "palsen" as a possible “s” and the other "8" as possible “s” as well?