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RE: 116v - Jorge_Stolfi - 08-08-2026
(08-08-2026, 11:07 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.At this point, we have to assume that the author isn’t too particular about double letters, or that it was spelled differently 500 years ago. But ‘cere’ means (wax) candle
Indeed. (In Italian too "cero" is a candle for religious use.)
But "ceree" is the vocative case, used when addressing or invoking someone. As in "O ceree, cur es tam cereus?" = "O wax candle, why are you so waxy?"
To say "now take a wax candle" one would say "Nunc cape cereum".
To say "recite it while holding a wax candle" one would say "Recita id cereum tenens."
To say "now let a candle be lit" one would say "Nunc accendatur cereus."
So we must assume that "cere" is an abbreviation of "cereum" or "cereus". Okaaay....
Quote:And it does appear in other curses as well.
But not spelled as "cere", does it?
All the best, --stolfi
PS. I asked my faithful lalamo to try to read line 2 "anchiton oladabad multod te cere portad" as Latvian. It says it could be "atsitiens ola dabā muldēt te cere portals" meaning something like "rebounding organic egg meal here lilac bush gateway". Well, why not?
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 08-08-2026
(08-08-2026, 02:37 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But not spelled as "cere", does it?
RE: 116v - Jorge_Stolfi - 08-08-2026
(08-08-2026, 03:01 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(08-08-2026, 02:37 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But not spelled as "cere", does it?[images]
Thanks!
Note the squiggle under the "e" of the first "cere". IIUC, it means that the "e" is actually "æ" or "ae". Thus the word is actually the genitive "cerae" = "of wax". With the preceding number "i·" it means "one [part] of wax". On the second example the scribe just omitted the squiggle.
So the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. "restorer" probably though he could see a "cere" there, but did not see or bother with the squiggle...
All the best, --stolfi
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 08-08-2026
That’s a problem for me.
I don’t know any Latin, even though I’m making slow progress.
Nor do I speak any other Latin-based languages such as Italian or Spanish.
I can only work on it using a dictionary.
My strengths lie in the Germanic and Alemannic languages.
RE: 116v - Jorge_Stolfi - 08-08-2026
(08-08-2026, 03:36 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That’s a problem for me.I don’t know any Latin, even though I’m making slow progress.
It should be easier for you, because German still has 4 cases. You only need to expand the tables from 4 columns to 7. The Romance languages completely lost all the cases, so my brain is just missing that processor chip altogether...
All the best, --stolfi
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 08-08-2026
I’ve just used my code to translate the last few words of f116r, just to see if there’s a connection to f116v.
Looks good, doesn’t it?
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 08-08-2026
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RE: 116v - ololololo - 08-08-2026
(08-08-2026, 05:37 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I’ve just used my code to translate the last few words of f116r, just to see if there’s a connection to f116v.You can look for a connection on f104r. At the very least, they share the same word...
RE: 116v - ololololo - 09-08-2026
(05-08-2026, 01:20 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1. the last letter is an "y"
Take a look at the last three examples of the letter y and compare them with the shape of the glyph in the word pbren.
RE: 116v - Koen G - 09-08-2026
I've always thought it had to be "n", but the glyph JKP isolated for "y" on the third line from the bottom looks very close. Same for the third line from the top (including the VM line). We'd need to be able to double-check in the manuscript whether those are actually "y" though.