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RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 05-08-2026
@ age No, that's not true; the “s” shaped like an 8 also appeared within words, i know the "rules", but rules are not rules like today...
RE: 116v - Koen G - 05-08-2026
Got some examples?
RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 05-08-2026
@ Age
But I have something really nice for you here (and for me, too).
The word “chreucz” for “cross” (cruzifix) at the very bottom—there, the “c” and the ‘z’ have merged to form a “g.”
And at the top, there’s even “chreuczes” with two merged glyphen — once as “cz” and once as “ez” ?? or "sz" ?? (the letter "e" I assume based on the possible genitive case).
In short, here we have written proof (!) that the “g” in “gas” can be a “cz” (or an “ez” too.)
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RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 05-08-2026
@ Koen
I'll find that, too.
But he wrote the “d” differently, as you can see in aladabas.
RE: 116v - nablator - 05-08-2026
(05-08-2026, 02:18 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In ‘pal8en’, it’s an ‘8’, and that’s a ‘t’ or a ‘d’.
It's far from a normal writing of 'd' or 's' but why not.
Has anyone suggested "balden" yet?
RE: 116v - Koen G - 05-08-2026
(05-08-2026, 05:31 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Has anyone suggested "balden" yet?
There has long been talk of "palden" meaning "soon" or something the like, but I don't recall if this was based on any attestations or just dictionary magic.
Jojo: looking forward to it.
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 05-08-2026
(05-08-2026, 05:31 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's far from a normal writing of 'd' or 's' but why not.
The question is: when and where did he learn to write like that?
The 8 written as a ‘d’ isn’t far off. It’s just a bit harder to understand because of the shift in sound.
And yes, ‘palden’ has already been discussed.
In Alemannic, it’s two words: ‘pald-en’ – ‘bald ein / bald ihn’. ‘bald’ (soon) and ‘ihn’ (him). en / one
RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 05-08-2026
We have “portas” and “multos” in “aldabas,” all with an 8—we have the “d” in “aldabas,” but he spells it differently. So ‘pal8en’ can't be a “d,” or at least it's unlikely.
Since “portas” and “multos” make sense with an “s” at the end, the likelihood increases that ‘pal8en’ also ends in an “s”...
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 05-08-2026
(05-08-2026, 07:13 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So ‘pal8en’ can't be a “d,” or at least it's unlikely.
It can.
If your ‘p’ is a ‘v’.
So it’s pronounced ‘vals-en’ – ‘falls ein’ (if one) or ‘(im) fall den’ (in the event that) – burn.
Es kann.
Wenn dein "p" en "v" ist.
So heisst es " vals-en" "falls ein" falls ein oder "(im) fall den" verbrenn.
The final ‘s’ looks more like a capital ‘B’ than an ‘8’.
How much did you adjust the settings to turn a ‘v’ into a ‘p’?
I’m asking because I can’t see it in the other scans.
Am I even allowed to adjust anything after the scan?
I’m not really familiar with this.
RE: 116v - JoJo_Jost - 05-08-2026
(05-08-2026, 07:44 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The final ‘s’ looks more like a capital ‘B’ than an ‘8’.
How much did you adjust the settings to turn a ‘v’ into a ‘p’?
I’m asking because I can’t see it in the other scans.
Am I even allowed to adjust anything after the scan?
I’m not really familiar with this.
oshfdk here on the forum did that by layering all the Scans on top of each other, if i understand it correctly
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@ age hast du das mit dem cz und dem "g" überlesen?