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VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - bi3mw - 23-11-2025 First of all: This is NOT a serious solution for the VMS! Since I have seen many “solutions” with pseudo-Latin lately, I just want to demonstrate how easy it is to replicate this with any word list. Anyone can reproduce the procedure described below. You may only need to install Metaphone for Python: pip install Metaphone First, you can map the most common letters in VMS to the most common letters in the Latin alphabet. This step isn't really necessary, but it's “nicer”. cat RF1a-n-x7.txt | tr oehyacdiklrstnqpmfgxzv ieutasrnmocdlpbqghfxyz > voyn2latin.txt Now you create a word list from any Latin text. I took an excerpt from Regimen Sanitatis. 5388 Latin words were extracted. That is definitely sufficient. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Finally, run the following Python script. This will take a few minutes. The script checks the Levenshtein distance and the phonetic similarity of the words in voyn2latin.txt against the word list. The words found are inserted accordingly and written to the output. python phonetic_levenshtein.py voyn2latin.txt mapped.txt Code: #!/usr/bin/env python3You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. If you want to do this to yourself, you can run mapped.txt through a translator. The result is just as meaningless as most of the Latin “solutions” I've seen. If you actually find a meaningful sentence, you can keep it
RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - ReneZ - 23-11-2025 Spot on! This would be nr. 2 on the list of unserious solutions that, while perhaps not better than serious proposals, is at least as good as them. RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - Koen G - 23-11-2025 This is great work! All you are missing is the dreaded "interpretative step" and you've got a Solution going. Maybe the next step can be to run a section through an LLM and ask it to force coherent meaning out of it. To me, this is indistinguishable from a classic solution. RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - Koen G - 23-11-2025 You can then ask ChatGPT to interpret the metaphor it just wrote: Quote:It reads like a didactic fragment using the imagery of winter, salt, roots, and a “rough-scaled thing” to describe the process of enduring hardship until clarity returns. RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - Rafal - 23-11-2025 Nice job! At moments it almost makes sense and seems related to plants and medicine: diminute solet solet sequitur sic aqueis alicui solet immundo licitis alius pomerium sed solet tolerat sic scilicet scire diminished usually usually follows so watery to someone usually unclean permissible another orchard but usually tolerates so obviously know On the second thought it doesn't
RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - Philipp Harland - 23-11-2025 (23-11-2025, 12:06 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is great work! All you are missing is the dreaded "interpretative step" and you've got a Solution going. Dreaded would be the correct word. Reminder: Artificial Stupidity may be good for doing your homework, but not for analyzing something like the VMS. I don't know how people don't get this by now. I'm trying to be measured and polite but fhoooooooohhh..... There are so many people who don't know that LLMs are built on transformers which are modelled on rudimentary ANNs which are just functions that take in numbers and spit them back out except transmogrified. RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - nablator - 23-11-2025 (23-11-2025, 11:30 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.5388 Latin words were extracted. That is definitely sufficient. You need ~400000 forms to cover most of the classic Latin vocabulary found in real texts, not including medieval spellings and specialized subjects like medicine, alchemy, herbals... RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - MarcoP - 24-11-2025 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. A few years ago, I played with a more naive implementation of a similar idea. I think that using English (either modern or Shakespeare's) makes it easier to understand the gap between the word-salad output and meaningful text. RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - Koen G - 24-11-2025 (24-11-2025, 07:14 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. That's a good point. The vast majority of the population can't see how meaningless the Latin is. It would be much more poignant in English. Although with Latin, we are much closer to mimicking what actual "solutions" feel like, with obscurity of the language being a prerequisite. RE: VMS to pseudo - latin ( not a solution !) - MarcoP - 24-11-2025 (24-11-2025, 10:58 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Although with Latin, we are much closer to mimicking what actual "solutions" feel like, with obscurity of the language being a prerequisite. Yes, that's probably why English is not popular among "solvers" |