The Voynich Ninja

That's a great find @Bluetoes101

Quote:I would suggest you calm down. This is not a constructive tone.

I agree. We are from different countries with different native languages and different level of German. What is obvious for you may be not obvious for someone else.

So be nice and helpful to people and people will be nice and helpful to you.

JustAnotherTheory Wrote:I would suggest you calm down. This is not a constructive tone. 

Don't worry, I am completely calm. Even when I had not the time to (de-)construct some strange understandings.

Textblock says:
"Der Geitz mich tribuliert,
Die Hoffart mich vexiert,
Der Neyd mir ließ kein rhu"
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Der Geiz mich tribuliert -> the stinginess is tormenting me,
Der Hochmut ("Hoffart" is outdated) mich ärgert ("vexiert" is outdated) -> the pride/arrogance annoys me,
Der Neid ließ mir keine Ruh' -> the envy is not leaving me in peace.

You see even the different letters ß = sz in "ließ", and the tz in Geitz in your own picture.

"Death" is mentioned in the line above.
So in a row of Death, stinginess, pride, and envy: which one is the goat?

(24-09-2026, 04:49 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Pretty sure your example is Geiß mich,

Completely sure: not at all. (see above)

 

Rafal Wrote:I agree. [..]
So be nice and helpful to people and people

I saw such a "run" against T. Timm here some time before. He was just texting a sober reply, not everybody likes that "tone" if it is contradicting the latest idea.
But I found it more helpful not to get lost in wrong understandings.

Take a look at this manuscript, it was also produced in Nürnberg, and also at the same time as Hans Folz was composing his Fastnachtspiele (and also decades later than the carbon dating of the VMS):

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It's a Hartmann Schedel MS, with drawings and commentary by the master himself. Some elements, once again, surprisingly remind one of the VMS:

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Now let's look at another MS from the collection of Hartmann Schedel, also produced at the same time as the previous MS:

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This drawing seems to have figures associated with stars:

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Very nice .. . One the first zodiac sign there's also the bird shape...  From memory that three line shape is Mercury but sure someone will correct me..

On the Schedel, I've lost countless hours looking at him and the links with Padua . It's as persuasive as Hartlieb honestly, which alas also fails...

Edit: apparently it's conjunction of the luminaries, which is what the middle box actually says..

It turns out, that our second Hans (Hans Folz) probably knew Hartmann Schedel personally. He worked with one of his friends directly on at least one manuscript.

Quote:Now let's look at another MS from the collection of Hartmann Schedel

Hey, you posted it upside down! 

It has some similarity to Voynich but the stars there aren't hold by persons. The stars are well... the sphere of stars and personages are some clerical characters on one side and different types of angels by Pseudo Dionisus ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) on the other side.

Could that be an indication that the ladies with the stars on the VMS zodiac pages, are representations of angelic hierarchy? If we know the names of the angels, we might be able to translate the labels?

And here's something else from the previous MS, that bears ressemblance to a Voynich plant "flower", this time:

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(24-09-2026, 04:49 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This was me I think, it was "dautre/d autre" if I remember right. 

Pretty sure your example is Geiß mich, there's 6 pages of them here including printed works - ß < > z

   

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That certainly has nothing to do with ‘Gaisz’.
Take a closer look (Gaisz’). There’s an apostrophe at the end. This refers to a scourge (whip). Geissel.
Your example is about flogging. Geisselung, Auspeitschung
Punishment, including self-flagellation. Selbstgeisselung.
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(24-09-2026, 04:49 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]
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To avoid further misunderstandings: 

The first 5 samples in this link are ALL „Geitz“ (stinginess).
For example „[so auß] Neid mir nachstelten / verzeyhe dem Jude so aus Geitz mich verrathen…“ =
„...who persecuted me out of envy; forgive the Jew who betrayed me out of stinginess/greed.“
These are some words of Jesus; no Geiß / goat involved.

The hand-written part is unclear.

Only a sequence „geiß milch“ between some blacked lines indeed is about milk,
and the last example „die alte dumme Geiß mich nicht wollte melken lassen?“ = 
„The old, stupid goat wouldn't let me milk her.“

„milk“ is always „Milch“ in German, here with clearly visible L‘s.
tz is distinguishable from sz.
Several parts are centuries younger than VMS.

So no, these are not helpful findings for „gas mich“

The rest is even mixing with „Geist“ (spirit) and at one occasion, bluetoes showed a „shortened“ M that left „mich“, but it is also „milch“ there.