The Voynich Ninja

(30-03-2026, 11:58 AM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The European one is shaped like an onion head, and the Eastern one is shaped like a camel's hoof.
The combination of tents on page 75v represents the synergy of East and West. Geographically, this could be the Black Sea, the Sea of Marmara, the Red Sea, the Nile River, or the Persian Gulf.

How interesting! I can accept your onion/hoof west/east interpretations as a way to see the items in question. Do you think Lake Urmia could be added to your list of geographic synergy possibilities? It is to the northwest of the Persian Gulf, nearer to the southeastern quadrant of the Black Sea so it seems to be within bounds of the list, at least.

(30-03-2026, 11:58 AM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The combination of tents on page 75v represents the synergy of East and West. Geographically, this could be the Black Sea, the Sea of Marmara, the Red Sea, the Nile River, or the Persian Gulf.

It’s interesting to see that Ahmet Ardıç points out in his articles that the VM author uses dialects from the Black Sea and Marmara regions.

(30-03-2026, 11:58 AM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]
Overall, I consider the following argument for a possible Eastern influence on the Voynich manuscript.

In Europe, there is a tradition of hanging a horse shoe at the entrance to a house. In the East, a camel hoof is used for this purpose. We see this three times in the drawings of tent tips. On the same pages, the two types of tips are used in pairs. 
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The European one is shaped like an onion head, and the Eastern one is shaped like a camel's hoof.
The combination of tents on page 75v represents the synergy of East and West. Geographically, this could be the Black Sea, the Sea of Marmara, the Red Sea, the Nile River, or the Persian Gulf.

I am quite happy that someone else sees tents within the VMS drawings.
But I am not able to see something like "camel hoofs" there (finding the details not exact enough).

Tent poles with a sort of knobs were rather common:





Just 2 examples of very many.
Voynich tents are quite similiar in that matter:





About geography:
there was also a major East-West contact area in the regions of (Crimean)Tatars and Nogaians, away from the coastal areas, quite north of Azow sea.

@Wladimir that vellum cutting theory is very interesting. So if the vellum was cut after production of the images/text on it, it means that the VMS must have been written at the place of delivery of the batch of vellum (a scriptorium, for instance), as it would be very noticeable if someone takes a batch of uncut vellum from such a place (by stealing it, for instance). 

It would be more noticeable to steal large uncut vellum than small cut vellum.

And I'm saying that because if the uncut vellum was not taken from its original delivery place, like a professional scriptorium, then it had to be filled in with secret text there, which would be noticed by literally everybody in the building.

Basically what I'm saying is: 

1. Either the entire scriptorium was aware that some people were producing a highly suspicious (and potentially prosecutable) secret cypher text, or 
   
2. Some people stole batches of large uncut vellum from a scriptorium (without folding it, as folding would create crease marks, which we do not see in the VMS), or
   
3. The VMS was not made in a scriptorium.
   

(17-04-2026, 04:37 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[*]Some people stole batches of large uncut vellum from a scriptorium (without folding it, as folding would create crease marks, which we do not see in the VMS), or
[*]The VMS was not made in a scriptorium.

Or bought them directly from a tanner, and folded them where they would be cut later or folded to produce the VMS.

(17-04-2026, 05:01 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(17-04-2026, 04:37 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[*]Some people stole batches of large uncut vellum from a scriptorium (without folding it, as folding would create crease marks, which we do not see in the VMS), or
[*]The VMS was not made in a scriptorium.

Or bought them directly from a tanner, and folded them where they would be cut later or folded to produce the VMS.

Could a layman/men afford so much vellum directly from the tanner? I would assume the creator(s) of the VMS were not professionals since the drawings look amateurish and there are no line markings in the text likke a pro would do.

So I would assume we're talking about someone who is totally unfamiliar with professional scribal professions. Yet has a boatload of money to spend by him/herself on pure uncut vellum?

Let's imagine a doctor of the time, an apothecary, a surgeon "cerusico", an alchemist, a herbalist, or a team of these, traveling the known world and skilled in their craft, but not in drawing. They write the text with care and precision but not the drawings, for which they lack the talent. They write the manuscript as a sort of portable, traveling diary (given its size), with scattered pages, compiled at different times, in different places, with different knowledge, experiences, and intuitions. Obviously not a commissioned book. Yes, I'm working from my imagination.

(17-04-2026, 05:56 PM)Fabrizio Salani Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Let's imagine a doctor of the time, an apothecary, a surgeon "cerusico", an alchemist, a herbalist, or a team of these, traveling the known world and skilled in their craft, but not in drawing. They write the text with care and precision but not the drawings, for which they lack the talent. They write the manuscript as a sort of portable, traveling diary (given its size), with scattered pages, compiled at different times, in different places, with different knowledge, experiences, and intuitions. Obviously not a commissioned book. Yes, I'm working from my imagination.

You forgot to add "a team so well versed in cryptography that 6 centuries later nobody still has a clue what they wrote".

.... or an ancient language lost in the dust of time.

(17-04-2026, 09:32 PM)Fabrizio Salani Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..... or an ancient language lost in the dust of time.

The 15th century is hardly "the dust of time". If a language as complex as the one in the VMS actually existed, then why are there no traces of such a culture, anywhere?