The Voynich Ninja

I am not sure if it was mentioned 10 years ago or so but I'll share it anyway  

If you look closely at the top central "wheel" at the Rosettes page, you will see something like a "clock hand" pointing down:

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I have found something similar. Unfortunately I don't have the manuscript name:
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(I could share the full page of my reference if someone is interested)

Can you see a similar "clock hand" pointing down?

And it is signed. The word was hard for me but I believe it says stil9 which is stilus and is simply a description of that pointer:
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Google Gemini gives the following reading and translation of the text:

"Hemisperium est medietas sphaerae nati[v]a qua pluvies designat[ur]. XII. diei horarum numero quibus solis p[re]sentia u[m]bra ai[m] tra[n]situ solis p[re]tereundo distinguit[ur] a parte et ex t[re]mitate ad alteram usq[ue] ad liliu[m] u[m]bra p[re]terit hemisperiu[m]."

"A hemisphere is the natural half of a sphere by which [the path of light] is designated. By the number of 12 hours of the day, in which the presence of the sun is distinguished from the shadow by the passing movement of the sun, from one side and extremity to the other, until the shadow passes the hemisphere at the line."

I am not 100% sure but it seems to me a description of sundial


Could it be the inspiration for this Rosettes part?

Ooh.. I like that . Yes, could be a sundial...I note though that there are 13 arrows, and 10 text blocks on the VMS and 11 in the sundial picture... Seems to be a slightly arbitrary number on both...but good find

(Yesterday, 01:17 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you look closely at the top central "wheel" at the Rosettes page, you will see something like a "clock hand" pointing down:

That rosette may indeed have been related to a sundial.  But my interpretation of the "clock hand" is that it is meant to be a vertical pole at the center of the (horizontal) "star-shaped plaza".   The Scribe would not have known how to render that...

All the best, --srolfi

Here is the updated text reading - I noticed that Gemini failed to recognize "stili" from "stilus" in the text:

"Hemisperium est medietas spere activa qua lumen designatur .XII. diei horarum numero quibus stili presentia a stili transitu solis pretereundo distinguitur a parte et extremitate ad alteram usque ad stili umbram preterit hemisperium."

"A hemisphere is the active half of a sphere by which light is marked out. It is divided by the number of twelve hours of the day, in which the presence of the stilus is distinguished by the passing of the sun as it goes by; from one side and end to the other, the shadow of the stilus passes across the hemisphere."

Gemini is guessing. It's actually: "hemisp[h]erium est saxeum vas curvatum infra per lineas designato .xii. diei horarum numero quas stili prominentis umbra cum transitu solis pretereundo distinguit et a priore ejus extremitate ad alteram usque stili umbram percurrit."

("hemisp[h]erium" and "stilus" in dark ink are labels.)

Google translation:
The hemisphere is a curved stone vessel with lines drawn below, marking the number of hours of the day which the shadow of the protruding stylus distinguishes as the sun passes by, and which runs from its first extremity to the other end of the stylus's shadow.

Thanks! Now it makes much more sense.
Google translation seemed to miss "12" number however.

Still I found Gemini much better with reading manuscripts that ChatGPT. It definitely knows about abbreviations and I would say that it gets more than 50% of things correctly.

(Yesterday, 07:29 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks! Now it makes much more sense.
Google translation seemed to miss "12" number however.

Still I found Gemini much better with reading manuscripts that ChatGPT. It definitely knows about abbreviations and I would say that it gets more than 50% of things correctly.

It has by far the best AI vision capabilities of any of the foundation models, but it's still not infallible... Still, I feel the need to keep reminding people this is the worst it will ever be...

(Yesterday, 07:31 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Still, I feel the need to keep reminding people this is the worst it will ever be...

True - but in the current stage of development and specifically in our field of study, the more pressing continuous reminder is that you should assume it will lie to you.

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(Yesterday, 07:31 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Still, I feel the need to keep reminding people this is the worst it will ever be...

True - but in the current stage of development and specifically in our field of study, the more pressing continuous reminder is that you should assume it will lie to you.

Yes, sadly that's also true...