The Voynich Ninja

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(07-11-2021, 11:24 AM)zamolxe Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(09-04-2016, 06:19 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.- VM adds more unnatural elements, mostly in the roots but perhaps also in other parts.

I have to say I'm not a at all a plant specialist. This is just an observation and must be criticized/scrutinized by professionals.

The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. plant seems to me to be very similar with Cinnamon plant. The roots can represent rolled bark i.e. the product used in confectionery. The below images are from Wikipedia.

F14v- Acanthus Mollis- Bear breeches:

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(12-05-2026, 10:02 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Not sure where to put this, but Ms.336 has swallowtail merlons on f 17v.. I couldn't see it on the map... Possibly Veneto

It's "late 15th century", so technically doesn't go on the map. Luckily, we're not short on earlier Veneto examples :)

(09-04-2016, 06:19 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The fat symmetrical loop is probably impressionistic, but there are multiple causes for smaller splits in nature:
excessive water flow through vascular tissue, heat, cold, or wind damage, bacterial or fungal infections, etc. It's more common to see cracks, but splits are absolutely possible.
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Tomato stem splitting due to environmental conditions.

It could also be an exaggeraated hole caused by beetles or various larvae:

Tomato stem damaged by a borer.

It's also possible that there's no splitting, and what we see is an artifact of how the dried out plant was pressed in a herbarium:

Malva parviflora from Florida

Malva sylvestris from Kent.

The amount and size of stem loops and fused plants is unique to the VM. This goes way beyond split or bored-through stems.
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I think it's plausible that the VM artist misinterpreted another drawing where stems crossed each other as a loop. Looking at a herbarium specimen, it would have been obvious that the stems never were physically connected. It should have been obvious that plants don't grow like this, but the VM artist drew the loops nonetheless, either accidentally or on purpose.

Since some parts of the plants match known plants perfectly, while others—such as the roots—do not, I could imagine, that the plants are also “coded”—in that at least the roots have been swapped according to a certain logic, and perhaps the flowers, leaves, and stems as well.

So, at least shifted by one or something like that.

But I admit that this is nothing more than a completely unprovable idea... Wink

There is a strange analogy between text and imagery. Both appear to have been cobbled together from a collection of building blocks according to some unknown rules. This is especially true for the VM plants. I agree that at least the majority are composites where roots, stem and flowers have been copied from different sources - and from within the VM. However I think for this reason we can rule out the plants are merely 'shuffled'. The roots were almost certainly copied from another source document than the stem/leaves. The flowers are the weirdest part and appear to be mostly an invention of the VM artist.

But it doesn't stop there. If you look at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as well as the weaker correlation between plant drawing styles and scribal hands, you see that each have their own themes and rules, much like the text. And like in the text, there is no 'hard break' between A and B, but no seamless continuum either. Like in the text, some plant themes are repetitive and almost exactly the same plant can be found drawn multiple times, by different scribal hands - or the same.

As with the text, I have no idea if there is some useful information encoded within this imagery, or whether it is meaningless copy-paste. But I believe it shows that both text and plants (and ultimately all imagery) were designed with the same 'mindset'.

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