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(28-11-2025, 07:44 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe that creating Voynich Manuscript required contact with many another books.

It has been shown in other threads that some pictures are inspired by pictures from another works.

So our hypothetical prisoner had either photographic memory or access to expensive manuscripts.

My impression was that the situation is exactly the opposite: the images in the MS somewhat mimic the general composition and inventory of images from other manuscripts, but the details are all different. So, it's more like the total absence of photographic memory and total lack of access to other manuscripts (edit: at the time when the Voynich MS was being created).

Giving an analogy, I probably can try drawing characters from Simpsons or scenes from Sistine Chapel or Mona Lisa by memory, and I will get some general resemblance but with total mix up of particular details - quite like what happens in the Voynich MS.
In the comparison of the interior of the VMs cosmos with the cosmic illustration of BNF Fr. 565, there is a common structure to be found despite a clear difference in appearance.

In the construction of VMs White Aries, the heraldic orientation of the blue-striped patterns is intentionally dualistic. So, it also seems probable the cosmic alterations were intentional as well

Can anyone honestly say that they started VMs investigation with a prior knowledge of the BNF cosmos, of heraldic nebuly lines, or of a bendy or papelonny insignia?

The VMs artist knew these things (and much more). The VMs artist put these things in the illustrations. The VMs artist has been "playing over our heads" the entire time and we have been blithely unaware. These are the first few steps to a better understanding of the VMs.
List of various peculiarities of the Voynich Manuscript and how they could be explained under the prisoner scenario:

1) Use of a very strong cipher and not providing the key or any clues: The risk for the author if the manuscript is discovered by the guards and attributed to the author was not loss of some secrets or some vague problems, but possible death penalty for the violation of the conditions of the imprisonment.

2) Use of a custom script and lack of any plaintext inscriptions: To make it impossible to identify the author by matching the handwriting.

3) Varying color of the ink, mistakes in the alignment of the text, occasional weirdly shaped glyphs, mistakes in illustrations, signs of bad quality writing tools, despite visible proficiency with the quill: To avoid being discovered, the author often had to write under low light conditions (moonlight, vigil candle), in an uncomfortable position or on a surface not very suitable for this kind of work, using low quantities or makeshift low quality (diluted?) ink and writing tools.

4) Using vellum and durable inks: The author was possibly sentenced for decades, had no idea when and how it would be possible to pass the manuscript outside, the folios had to be stashed for years in places with possible adverse conditions: moisture, temperature, insects. It had to be durable to survive.

5) Strange images none of which can be easily and unambiguously explained: All the images are decoys to make the manuscript interesting enough to warrant eventual deciphering by whoever finds it. If that was the calculation of the author, it fully worked, according to the most common understanding the manuscript has passed through court(s), went to Rome and ended up as one of the most famous manuscripts in the world. Under the prisoner scenario this is exactly what the images were designed for: to make the MS stand out.

6) Unknown plants, images that somewhat mimic images in other manuscripts, but not exact copies and with many details altered: while imprisoned the author had no access to other manuscripts, plant samples or herbals. If a non biologist is tasked to create a hundred intriguing decoy plan images, it's quite likely that the result will be similar to the Voynich MS with many striking shapes, unrealistic details and no way to perfectly match with any real plant.

7) Foldouts, Rosettes: they are one of the best attention grabbers, something that any person holding the manuscript would probably notice even without opening the MS. The largest foldout has a very intriguing design.

8) Several scribes/hands: this one if true is probably incompatible with the prisoner scenario, even though in principle there could be several accomplices. On the other hand, it's not impossible to explain the simultaneous variation of the statistics of the text and the handwriting if some cipher that restricts the positions of glyphs was used, see an example: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

9) Small format of the MS: the folios had to remain well hidden in close quarters most of the time. Also, if the intention was to eventually smuggle it outside, the smaller the better.

10) Unusually long for a cipher manuscript: time was one thing that the author had in abundance.

11) Lack of original provenance: this is by design, there should have been no link to the original author.

12) Weird marginalia: other than adding to the intrigue of the manuscript there is also some the possibility that one of the confidants of the author was a local book dealer/collector that would certainly be attracted to a new strange ciphered manuscript of unknown origin discovered in the region, if it's put for sale. Maybe marginalia has some references or connotations that would only be obvious to this particular person. Maybe "michiton oladabas" is a nonsensical message that somehow would ring the bell for one person only, the person who would be the most likely to know who was the author and how to decipher the manuscript. Distorted letters from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be an attempt of the original author to disguise own handwriting while writing in the Latin script. Maybe You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is the key, just expressed in a way that only someone would understand.

13) Weird paint job: possibly not original, it's unlikely the prisoner as described above would have had access to raw materials to create paints (except red, which under this scenario was obviously used by the original author on f67r2). Under the prisoner scenario it's likely the manuscript wasn't given by the author to the next owner, but was discovered by the next owner independently and without any knowledge of the manuscript contents, so maybe the paint job was this second owner's way of completing the manuscript to make it more pretty or just a pastime. There are some probable coloring instructions though, I'm not sure who would have added them and when under the prisoner scenario.

14) Wrong order of folios: maybe the original manuscript was never bound at all by the author, due to the lack of tools and materials, and it was discovered by the next owner as a stack of bifolios.

15) Tiny glyphs: this is folk psychology, but anecdotally when writing in secret and avoiding surveillance people tend to write smaller, due to increased tension in muscles. Also stress may cause transient tremors that could explain some irregularities in the text in addition to 2) above. Also see the link in 8) above, it could be possible that the cipher put restrictions on the positions and sizes of the letters.

16) Dubious geometry like wobbly circles, bad segmentation, lack of lining: the author simply had no good tools for this, but wanted to create striking visuals nevertheless.
There are some pros and cons to the ideas offered here, but most examples of these are from 100-150 years later. That may be a sign of the times, or it may be that we have more information about these later ages.

Indeed, as Stolfi indicated, the first scenario was basically that of Kelly, but this was in 1580-1590 or so.

Scrap vellum for a hermit, or tiny pieces of vellum sneaked into prison, don't work because of the large foldout.

People were indeed silenced, imprisoned, and even put to death for unwelcome ideas. Giordano Bruno (1600) is a famous case, but again this is in 1600.

Undoubtedly, the creator(s) of the MS must have seen numerous different types of manuscripts. This mightnot be a problem for the prison case, but a bit more so for the hermit case.

When looking at scenarios, the most interesting aspect is whether this provides some kind of explanation for the text. The prison idea might seem to work there: some leverage by the prisoner to really divulge the secret. I don't know...

But the real problem is not that the text is unreadable.
It is the fact that this mysterious text is so consistent: consistent alphabet throughout, consistent words over 200 pages. This is not the result of some on-the-fly and without-much-preparation effort.
(29-11-2025, 12:43 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.People were indeed silenced, imprisoned, and even put to death for unwelcome ideas. Giordano Bruno (1600) is a famous case, but again this is in 1600.

Well, the followers of Jan Hus (Hussites) are examples from the early 15th century. It can be assumed that followers from higher social classes were imprisoned and could read and write. A prominent example is Jerome of Prague, who, however, according to his own statements, was not even given anything to read during his imprisonment. Other, “nameless” individuals may have had it relatively easier, and not all of them will have been held in solitary confinement.
(29-11-2025, 12:43 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Giordano Bruno (1600) is a famous case, but again this is in 1600.

Indeed the attitude of the Church changed a lot in that mean time because of the Protestant schism.  But, even in the post-Reform times, the Church was sensitive mostly to challenges to its authority. 

Giordano Bruno was popular among European royalty and was insinuating that the Pope should stay away from interfering in politics, succession, etc.  Savonarola was executed only after he point blank refused to obey the Pope's orders.  Galileo was persecuted by the Church mainly because he offended the astronomers at the Vatican Observatory, insinuating that they were idiots. (And at his trial the court pointed the printer's mark on one of his books and asked whether it was somehow connected to Giordano Bruno.)

One of Giordano Bruno's arguments was something like this.  It was known that the planets were worlds like the Earth, and "therefore" should be inhabited -- because God would not have wasted them by leaving them barren.  But then Jesus must have come to those planets too, to save those people.  And therefore on each planet there must be a true Christian Church.  And therefore a legitimate Pope.  Thus the Pope in Rome was not meant to be the unique Pope...

And another was something like this.  If you put a candle close to a globe, it will illuminate only a small circle on it.  As you move the candle away, the illuminated area grows; until, when the candle is very far away, the entire globe is illuminated. [Clearly he was not as good in Geometry as in Rhetoric... But his noble audience must not have been much better.] "Therefore", if the Pope wants to illuminate the whole world, he should stay as far away from it as possible... 

All the best, --stolfi
(29-11-2025, 12:43 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Scrap vellum for a hermit, or tiny pieces of vellum sneaked into prison, don't work because of the large foldout.

I agree that foldouts can be a problem. On the other hand if the author had no access to cutting tools (as a prisoner) maybe foldouts were born out of necessity when a larger piece of vellum was smuggled in by accident. Generally, since I think the vellum can be folded or bundled temporarily without any adverse effect, smuggling in or hiding a large piece might not be much harder than for normal bifolios. But working on a large piece without a proper desk could be harder and quickly hiding it when someone approaches will also be a problem.

One thing I vaguely remember is that someone who saw the manuscript in person described a certain hole in one of the folios that appeared created by deliberately rubbing the vellum rather than by cutting or by accident. Would make sense if the creator had no access to a knife and needed a hole of certain size or shape for some reason.

(29-11-2025, 12:43 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But the real problem is not that the text is unreadable.
It is the fact that this mysterious text is so consistent: consistent alphabet throughout, consistent words over 200 pages. This is not the result of some on-the-fly and without-much-preparation effort.

I'm only familiar with fictional(ized) accounts of prison life, but as far as I understand, if the potential punishment is severe people can execute complex plans which require very long term meticulous planning. Various successful prison escapes are a good example of these.

For example, let's imagine the prisoner was in for life or at least 20-30 years. The idea of making a manuscript only occurred on something like year 2 or 3 when the prisoner realized it was possible to obtain some vellum and make some inks and hide all of it, maybe then preparation of proper hiding and working spaces took years. And the actual writing was only possible on some special nights, say when the guards would be asleep after some celebrations and the moonlight was just right. Then the author would make sure everything is safe, would fetch a single bifolio, make the stale ink usable, and spend some 3-4 hours writing and an hour carefully hiding everything back and then there would be days or weeks to think about the next folio before the next writing session. Obviously, the author couldn't have any notes about the encoding system or any plaintext drafts, so the whole system should have been memorized, maybe the prisoner spent hours each day creating the text and enciphering it in her/his head so by the time of the next writing session it was possible to just put it on vellum relatively quickly. This means that the cipher itself could be quite complicated and require some nontrivial mental work and still compatible with the appearance of written down in one single stream.

Interestingly, while there are near copies of large plant images in the small plants section, I don't think there are many details like nymphs or other complex shapes that would be perfect internal copies in the manuscript, made by looking at a past folio and copying to the new folio. Maybe the nature of the images never called for this, or maybe the author never had the luxury of having more than 1 or 2 bifolios out at the same time.
(29-11-2025, 01:20 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A prominent example is Jerome of Prague, who, however, according to his own statements, was not even given anything to read during his imprisonment.

This is actually close to the situation I had in mind. A person who had to improvise an inconspicuous way of creating a manuscript and needed a way to deny his involvement in any writing activity at all while in prison.

(28-11-2025, 09:01 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The VMs artist knew these things (and much more). The VMs artist put these things in the illustrations. The VMs artist has been "playing over our heads" the entire time and we have been blithely unaware. These are the first few steps to a better understanding of the VMs.

This all is possible, but works equally well whether the author was a prisoner or not.
The example of the Hussites shows that the main opponents of the Church were influential people or movements that challenged orthodoxy. Proto-protestants, wannabe reformers. My view on Jesus is better than yours. That's much more threatening than some guy in his attic trying to summon a spirit.
(29-11-2025, 12:49 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The example of the Hussites shows that the main opponents of the Church were influential people or movements that challenged orthodoxy. Proto-protestants, wannabe reformers. My view on Jesus is better than yours. That's much more threatening than some guy in his attic trying to summon a spirit.

Yes, this is why I think the contents in the prisoner scenario could be quite unexpected and not deducible from the images.

Koen, since you work a lot with the image parellels, could you comment on our discussion with Rafal above? The images in the Voynich Manuscript that appear to be inspired by images from other manuscripts, do they look like copies that required access to the other manuscript or photographic memory, or are they more like images made by vague memory, preserving some generic composition and key elements, but with a lot of changes and mixups in details? My impression was that it's more of the latter.
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