For what it's worth, my personal hypothesis based on the work I've done is that it's exactly what it looks like. It's a manuscript written by a small workshop in the Padua/Bologna region, probably connected to the university. The glyphs are a personal engineered language, probably Latin based but not Latin, and it's a synthesis in the style of De Herbis, Tacuinum, De Materia Medica, and follows Galenic principles. No great mystery really...
(23-11-2025, 01:31 PM)Digitalgoldfish79 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For what it's worth, my personal hypothesis based on the work I've done is that it's exactly what it looks like. It's a manuscript written by a small workshop in the Padua/Bologna region, probably connected to the university.
Hi!
Why Padua/Bologna specifically?
(23-11-2025, 01:35 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (23-11-2025, 01:31 PM)Digitalgoldfish79 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For what it's worth, my personal hypothesis based on the work I've done is that it's exactly what it looks like. It's a manuscript written by a small workshop in the Padua/Bologna region, probably connected to the university.
Hi!
Why Padua/Bologna specifically?
It's the right time period and intellectual milieu, the language appears to be closer to Latin than anything else (I also looked at Hebrew and Arabic but didn't include them in the paper yet).. although I couldn't directly link to medieval notation , I did some work with Capelli, and it's that kind of thing.. the different sections of the document match Practica Medica, Herbarium Carrare, Compendium Medicinae..
The plant illustrations in the Herbal section:
thick black outlines
green fill with red marginal accents
bifurcated roots
stylized tubes
heavy ink contouring with herbal exemplar patterns
These match:
• Manuscript Group III of the Italian herbal tradition
especially:
Carrara / Lombard workshop traditions
Padua (Herbals c. 1400–1430)
Veneto region illustrated exemplars
The zodiac roundels match Italian astro-medical tradition:
30-female star-nymph design = Bolognese astro-medical manuscripts
Circular bathing cosmologies = Padua therapeutic diagrams
Flow-tube hydro-mechanic imagery = Ferrara/Pavia traditions
This shared motif family is regionally clustered in the Veneto–Emilia corridor.
Again, just a theory at this point but I see converging lines of evidence...
Hi,
Your work is quite statistical and technical, hard to evaluate without putting a considerable effort into it
Do you believe that you discovered something "new" ?
You also seem to talk about artificial pseudo-Voynich texts by Gordon Rugg and Torsten Timm. Do you claim that Voynich Manuscript is different from them ?
It's a little anachronistic, or am I mistaken?
"hydromechanical tradition“ von Ferrara/Pavia"???
(23-11-2025, 01:44 PM)Digitalgoldfish79 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's the right time period and intellectual milieu, the language appears to be closer to Latin than anything else (I also looked at Hebrew and Arabic but didn't include them in the paper yet).. although I couldn't directly link to medieval notation , I did some work with Capelli, and it's that kind of thing.. the different sections of the document match Practica Medica, Herbarium Carrare, Compendium Medicinae..
The plant illustrations in the Herbal section:
...
These match:
• Manuscript Group III of the Italian herbal tradition
especially:
Carrara / Lombard workshop traditions
Padua (Herbals c. 1400–1430)
Veneto region illustrated exemplars
The zodiac roundels match Italian astro-medical tradition:
30-female star-nymph design = Bolognese astro-medical manuscripts
Circular bathing cosmologies = Padua therapeutic diagrams
Flow-tube hydro-mechanic imagery = Ferrara/Pavia traditions
This shared motif family is regionally clustered in the Veneto–Emilia corridor.
Now,
this is a paper or a blog post I'd like to read, would be perfect if you could elaborate on this with pictures.
I'm not sure mathematical modeling (edit)
by itself can teach us more about the Voynich Manuscript at this stage. Just my personal opinion, but for a while already I stopped trying to understand all the mathematical/statistical articles or posts related to the Voynich Manuscript, it seems to me they don't lead anywhere. They just add one conjecture or curiosity on top of another.
Can we get Koen to move this to GPTrash? He seems to have momentarily viewed the thread but not noticed the blatant admission of it.
(23-11-2025, 02:02 PM)Philipp Harland Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can we get Koen to move this to GPTrash? He seems to have momentarily viewed the thread but not noticed the blatant admission of it.
It's not gpt. It's using AI to write and debug code and support statistical analysis. That's perfectly normal in science, and in my day job we use Copilot with GitHub to support code writing
(23-11-2025, 02:02 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (23-11-2025, 01:44 PM)Digitalgoldfish79 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's the right time period and intellectual milieu, the language appears to be closer to Latin than anything else (I also looked at Hebrew and Arabic but didn't include them in the paper yet).. although I couldn't directly link to medieval notation , I did some work with Capelli, and it's that kind of thing.. the different sections of the document match Practica Medica, Herbarium Carrare, Compendium Medicinae..
The plant illustrations in the Herbal section:
...
These match:
• Manuscript Group III of the Italian herbal tradition
especially:
Carrara / Lombard workshop traditions
Padua (Herbals c. 1400–1430)
Veneto region illustrated exemplars
The zodiac roundels match Italian astro-medical tradition:
30-female star-nymph design = Bolognese astro-medical manuscripts
Circular bathing cosmologies = Padua therapeutic diagrams
Flow-tube hydro-mechanic imagery = Ferrara/Pavia traditions
This shared motif family is regionally clustered in the Veneto–Emilia corridor.
Now, this is a paper or a blog post I'd like to read, would be perfect if you could elaborate on this with pictures.
I'm not sure mathematical modeling (edit) by itself can teach us more about the Voynich Manuscript at this stage. Just my personal opinion, but for a while already I stopped trying to understand all the mathematical/statistical articles or posts related to the Voynich Manuscript, it seems to me they don't lead anywhere. They just add one conjecture or curiosity on top of another.
I agree, but as it's pure speculation, I'm not inclined to do so... Besides which I'm not sure I'm the first person to speculate on this