The Voynich Ninja

Hi all, I couldn't find a better place to post this but feel free to point me to the right thread. 

I was having a look through Trento's digital manuscript collection and found this interesting looking annotation in the margin of a 1450 copy of Diaconus "Historia Romana" from Iohannes Hinderbach's collection. He was Archbishop in Trento between the 1440s and 1460s. 

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The glyph looks a lot like the voynichese "l" glyph. Seems to be used as a number here but unsure about which one :/

Has anyone else found other VM glyphs in other manuscripts? I remember VM "y" was a common scribal abbreviation and that VM "q" appears in a Lombard cipher from the mid-1400, any other ones?

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Most vms glyphs can be found in Capelli , iirc, here is some related links.

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and "Cappelli's Dizionario di Abbreviature Latine"

I suppose it's not what you are looking for but here is goes for fun 

(21-03-2025, 04:44 PM)davidma Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The glyph looks a lot like the voynichese "l" glyph. Seems to be used as a number here but unsure about which one :/

It's a late medieval '4', sometimes written with a longer tail on the left, just like Voynichese l.

It would be interesting to see which has more symbols in common with the Voynich manuscript the abbreviations found in Cappelli or the symbols found in 15th century Milanese cipher keys.

Quote:The glyph looks a lot like the voynichese "l" glyph.

Voynich "l" glyph is similar to the sign used in the past to mean number "4".
It is hard to say at the moment if it is a coincidence or not

(22-03-2025, 02:48 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It would be interesting to see which has more symbols in common with the Voynich manuscript the abbreviations found in Cappelli or the symbols found in 15th century Milanese cipher keys.

I find it really interesting that Cappelli has the Voynichese "Q" as an abbreviation with a specific regional provenance (Lombardy). It is the only Voynich letter to my knowledge that has a specific regional origin (at least according to Cappelli). This and the very circumstantial evidence that whoever wrote the VM and illustrated it knew about swallowtail merlons, central European fashion, makes me wonder if the scribes or whoever designed the alphabet was at least familiar with Lombard encipherment practices.

(21-03-2025, 06:13 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I suppose it's not what you are looking for but here is goes for fun 

hello, 
This looks great! I'd love to know the source.
Is it a fake, created from VM symbols?
Thank you in advance!
Vessy

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I wouldn't necessarily consider it a forgery. It's possible that he simply used the VM symbols for himself.
Note: Such a long line of string can certainly not be drawn with a goose quill without interruption to catch new ink and with such regularity. It requires a fountain pen with a tank.
Now you have the earliest age.

By the way, you can already get beautiful parchment paper for the printer today.
We used to make it ourselves as children.
Now you need the original.


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