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I did not understand the solution to the picture on the left in the top row (1). But at least for me there are now 5 of 6 pictures solved.
Sorry René, I didn't understand the purpose of your thread
(08-10-2023, 01:35 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (08-10-2023, 11:26 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What kind of program is this where they unleash cryptic collages about medieval manuscripts?
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I use to watch it. In a section they give a picture per day till one of the competitors gives the answer and also explain every picture.
I didnt thought it was the VMS till the fifth picture (the middle top image).
Hmm, I thought it was Pasapalabra instead of Saber y ganar. But I couldn't tell for your sure. The full episode videos I found were on Chilevision and I don't have access to them here in the U.S. Though it seems to have been an episode on which Sebastian Cardenas was a contestant and he was a contestant on both shows.
merrimacga: Try this link ( starting at 36.23 ). Unfortunately, there are no English subtitles.
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My Spanish is rusty, but this is what I gather:
The contestant is shown the pictures, and asked to identify the individual (Wilfrid Voynich). The host pretends like he should recognize him right away, but he doesn't (which seems normal to me, even trivia buffs would not recognize Wilfrid Voynich from a single picture).
The first contestant then guesses "19th century, Russian literature". The host says that he's on the right path. I assume they define Russian rather broadly. ELV's book was very popular in Russia, so there is certainly a link. The host adds that the person (Voynich) is "muy importante", which I guess depends on one's point of view.
The contestant guesses that the library is Trinity College and we may be looking at the Book of Kells.
On to the next contestant, who asks whether the man in the picture is a music composer - no.
Now he recalls that there is a rare book library in the USA, at Yale. It starts with a B - Bercice? Anyway, the contestant continues, there is a manuscript there called "Voynich", and he starts explaining a bit about it, radiocarbon dating etc., and that we can't translate it, it's a treatise on various topics, with nude women etc, it's been in Italy. He seems to know much about the topic, but can't solve all the images.
The host is impressed: Muy bien! Muy bien!
The third contestant is asked if she can complete the clues, and she says "I wish I could". They are still looking for Andersen and the landscape image, which is where the round ends.
So, the upshot of that is the Saber y ganar episode didn't actually pose, let alone answer, the question Rene posed in this thread. Yes? But I'm guessing Rene already knows how each picture relates to the VM, including the two challenging ones, and he will let all of us know whether we gave the correct answers.
So, Rene, whenever you want to end our suspense...
OK, the first response was from merrimacga, by PM/DM and this was not complete.
In the end, I did not see a completely successful answer from anyone, so let's call it a draw :-)
The way the problem was presented to me was as I presented it here: the Voynich MS is a given, and what is the link of each image with the MS?
I only found out that in reality it was the other way round from a post in this thread.
In my defense, it would not have made a lot of sense for me to ask the question here:
"which mysterious book is identified through these pictures?"
Bottom right: Wilfrid Voynich is clear.
Top centre: Beinecke library.
Bottom left: I am guessing that this just refers to the many herbal drawing in the manuscript. While this seems a bit 'too easy' in the sense of how the question was asked on TV it seems reasonable.
Bottom centre: this is indeed the patio/garden of the Villa Mondragone near Frascati. Note that this is *not* where the Voynich MS was sold.
Top right: this is a C-14 atom, with its 6 protons and 8 neutrons.
Top left: Hans Christian Andersen. As Antonio correctly pointed out, Voynich referred to the MS as an 'ugly duckling', when he gave his talk about it in 1921. See here:
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And I thought Anderson was referring to the end of every fairy tale.
And if they didn't die then they are still researching today.
It sounds better in German somehow.
"Und wenn sie nicht gestorben sind dann forschen sie noch heute."