05-09-2022, 06:32 PM
05-09-2022, 06:32 PM
25-09-2022, 09:32 PM
Quote:St. Gall Abbot Ulrich Rösch's (1462-1491) book of heraldry, containing 1,626 coats of arms of prominent people from the laity and the clergy, mostly from the southern region of Germany. This heraldic book was probably prepared in the Heidelberg workshop of Hans Ingeram for an unknown customer from the area between the Neckar River and the Upper Rhine. In the 1480s St. Gall Abbot Ulrich Rösch purchased the volume and had numerous coats of arms from Swiss and German border areas added in the back pages; these were drawn by Winterthur artist Hans Haggenberg. One of the most important heraldic record books of the 15th century.
Are there any parallels with the patterns in the VMS?
26-09-2022, 11:11 PM
It's on the library list - with an additional connection to 'Haggenberg'. I looked through some of these sources a while back, but so many are impossible to read. However, once you know a few of them, you can recognize Milan, even when it is called "Mayland" or Cilli (Celje), even when it's labeled "Zyly', with umlauts on both y's.
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These texts record heraldic traditions in various times and locations, and even early on they show an adherence to a common set of rules and patterns and stylized images. Compared with alchemy and astrology over the period of the Middle Ages on through the end of the VMs C-14 dates, around 1440 and onward, heraldic science is something that is fixed and almost literally unchanging. There was a growing trend toward quartering.
The VMs was created during this heraldic era. Heraldry was a part of the time. In the VMs, heraldry is used subtly, sparingly, and selectively. It has been suggested that the "eagle root" illustration of VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was an emblematic insignia but is it red or is it black. There are wings but there is no head. Neither are there two heads nor two feet. It may not be armorial heraldry.
The nebuly line is part of early heraldry and its use in the VMs is something for separate consideration.
The VMs borrows from the same heraldic tradition as the other texts. Some of the tub patters of Pisces outer ring and on the two Aries pages show certain similarities with standard patterns from heraldic tradition known as ordinaries and sub-ordinaries and others. Starting at the top of VMs Pisces, there are patterns with alternating vertical stripes, and elsewhere there are horizontal stripes and also diagonal stripes from either direction. And all of these are compatible with standard heraldic patterns of the paley, barry and bendy variations.
Stipes are stripes; there are problems converting a round tub into a heraldic emblem, not to mention the methodology by which the alternating stripes are distinguished. Nevertheless, the presence of the chevron pattern at 3 o'clock on Pisces is a clear heraldic indicator with the inverted 'V' (or lambda) as a reference to the historical Spartans (Lacedaemonians). After that, a pattern with circles (heraldic roundels) and another with rings (heraldic annulets). But the arrangements are irregular, appearing to be more sloppy in their execution. And after that, things that don't really make any sense, in a heraldic interpretation. Thus, giving the impression that the heraldic interpretation of these images may not be valid. That is the artist's intention. The hint is offered, then withdrawn in order to deflect and dissuade further investigation around the Pisces circle.
Heraldry has two major elements - and pattern is one of them. The other is coloration, the heraldic use of 'tincture:' metals, colors and furs. In addition to armorial heraldry there was ecclesiastical heraldry. The particular combination of two separate elements, a red hat and blue stripes, on a particular nymph on VMs White Aries makes the potential connection to an ongoing Catholic church tradition. Trickery is present in the intentionally dualistic way that the striped patterns are presented. And multiple methods of confirmation are built into the structure of the illustration and beyond. The artist knew the patterns of the obscure furs of heraldry. The artist knew heraldic canting. Does the reader know the same?
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These texts record heraldic traditions in various times and locations, and even early on they show an adherence to a common set of rules and patterns and stylized images. Compared with alchemy and astrology over the period of the Middle Ages on through the end of the VMs C-14 dates, around 1440 and onward, heraldic science is something that is fixed and almost literally unchanging. There was a growing trend toward quartering.
The VMs was created during this heraldic era. Heraldry was a part of the time. In the VMs, heraldry is used subtly, sparingly, and selectively. It has been suggested that the "eagle root" illustration of VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was an emblematic insignia but is it red or is it black. There are wings but there is no head. Neither are there two heads nor two feet. It may not be armorial heraldry.
The nebuly line is part of early heraldry and its use in the VMs is something for separate consideration.
The VMs borrows from the same heraldic tradition as the other texts. Some of the tub patters of Pisces outer ring and on the two Aries pages show certain similarities with standard patterns from heraldic tradition known as ordinaries and sub-ordinaries and others. Starting at the top of VMs Pisces, there are patterns with alternating vertical stripes, and elsewhere there are horizontal stripes and also diagonal stripes from either direction. And all of these are compatible with standard heraldic patterns of the paley, barry and bendy variations.
Stipes are stripes; there are problems converting a round tub into a heraldic emblem, not to mention the methodology by which the alternating stripes are distinguished. Nevertheless, the presence of the chevron pattern at 3 o'clock on Pisces is a clear heraldic indicator with the inverted 'V' (or lambda) as a reference to the historical Spartans (Lacedaemonians). After that, a pattern with circles (heraldic roundels) and another with rings (heraldic annulets). But the arrangements are irregular, appearing to be more sloppy in their execution. And after that, things that don't really make any sense, in a heraldic interpretation. Thus, giving the impression that the heraldic interpretation of these images may not be valid. That is the artist's intention. The hint is offered, then withdrawn in order to deflect and dissuade further investigation around the Pisces circle.
Heraldry has two major elements - and pattern is one of them. The other is coloration, the heraldic use of 'tincture:' metals, colors and furs. In addition to armorial heraldry there was ecclesiastical heraldry. The particular combination of two separate elements, a red hat and blue stripes, on a particular nymph on VMs White Aries makes the potential connection to an ongoing Catholic church tradition. Trickery is present in the intentionally dualistic way that the striped patterns are presented. And multiple methods of confirmation are built into the structure of the illustration and beyond. The artist knew the patterns of the obscure furs of heraldry. The artist knew heraldic canting. Does the reader know the same?
27-09-2022, 10:46 PM
Yes, I primarily had the tubs in mind. But upon consideration, you are certainly right that
Let's say even if I knew, I would be at a loss nonetheless about what they are meant to designate or to hint, it's an issue of a particular mindset long lost. It's like trying to understand contextual jokes or memes from another nation - even when translated into your own language, you fail to grasp the core of it, and you would need a lengthy boring explanation of why that joke is really funny.
Quote:there are problems converting a round tub into a heraldic emblem
Quote:The artist knew heraldic canting. Does the reader know the same?
Let's say even if I knew, I would be at a loss nonetheless about what they are meant to designate or to hint, it's an issue of a particular mindset long lost. It's like trying to understand contextual jokes or memes from another nation - even when translated into your own language, you fail to grasp the core of it, and you would need a lengthy boring explanation of why that joke is really funny.
28-09-2022, 12:15 AM
Yes indeed, a long and boring explanation, during which the humor gets lost. Heraldry is a method of communication. And in those examples where canting was used, it can be very much dependent on language. Essentially canting functions like a rebus, once you have a correct identification in the proper language. A simple example is Krebs - a red lobster [German: Krebs] on a gold field. Whether this has anything to do with the VMs Cancer medallion is a separate and unresolved question.
As far as the tub patterns, they certainly appear to be mostly derived from heraldry, though a certain amount of good old VMs ambiguity starts to intervene about halfway around the outer Pisces ring. The problem with making external connections with these patterns is the lack of coloration, or the problem of tincture designation. Armorial heraldry is introduced by the Pisces tub patterns, but then deflected. Even the colored tub patterns of VMs White Aries are far from unambiguous. It is the combined influence of additional elements that strengthen the original, proposed interpretation.
As far as the tub patterns, they certainly appear to be mostly derived from heraldry, though a certain amount of good old VMs ambiguity starts to intervene about halfway around the outer Pisces ring. The problem with making external connections with these patterns is the lack of coloration, or the problem of tincture designation. Armorial heraldry is introduced by the Pisces tub patterns, but then deflected. Even the colored tub patterns of VMs White Aries are far from unambiguous. It is the combined influence of additional elements that strengthen the original, proposed interpretation.