02-08-2021, 01:16 AM
Is it possible the gallows are coding for symbol sets? We do have the four repetition sequence on 57v, and I've been trying to match - in context - text glyphs to symbols, but having no luck with the gallows. Still, often back then they used the same sign for different things, particularly astrological signs. Some we know, some not. But we do have five parts to the VMS that correspond somewhat, and I've found the same pattern on the rosettes page.
So, just taking the first 3 glyphs, for instance, you have "o", o with a neck (eva-l), and 8. I mean, just looking at them re the zodiac, o=Aries, o with neck=Taurus, 8=Gemini. But these are the same symbols used for body parts. O=head, o with neck=neck, 8 =shoulders. And with plants: o=flower, o with neck stem, 8=leaves. I'd argue the fourth part is actually talking about the human soul, so you might have o=god/spiritus, o with neck = matter, 8=man. Also, probably numbers.
But the writer, if using this as part of his/her system, would need to distinguish between them.
So o, followed by one type of gallows, might code for Aries and/or simply A.
Followed by another, might code for Head, and/or simply H.
Followed by a different gallows, might code for Flower and/or simply F
Followed by a fourth might code for God/Spiritus, or simply G or S.
And by itself, maybe it's just a 1 or 10.
It seems to me you could get a full alphanumeric system out of something like this, entropy would work better, etc.
C-C would be Pisces, Feet, Roots, etc. But when referring to the left foot, you might have to stick a gallows in the middle. Lol.
But I'm not really kidding. It might be something like this, and the gallows carry essential word info but don't translate to anything, except maybe, when on their own, the full system they number - Herbal, Body, Stars, Soul.
I just moved this from another thread. Emma May commented before I did so that this would mean effectively something like 40 glyphs, and that's right, though some would repeat, and a plant only has six parts, so that's why you would get more of one gallows than another. She wasn't sure where the writer might have got this idea. I myself got it from a variety of places he or she would have access to:
1) Zodiac man, where body parts are designated with astrology symbols
2) Picatrix, where the author inserts drawings or symbols of the planets without spelling them out
3) Raymond Llull, with his categories.
4) Raymond Llull, who near the end of one text started just using the first letter.
5) Close reading of the symbols, which often are literal "sphinxes", one part Christian, one Muslim, one Greek, for instance, or plants whose roots don't match.
6) The Rosettes page, which in my schema, acts as an index to the whole text, so I am able, sometimes successfully I think, to match symbol to meaning.
7) Aristotle and...Roger Bacon! Lol!
I would so appreciate someone with languages and linguistics to take a look at this. I don't think it would solve the whole problem, but if it seems to test out, it might open the door a little.
So, just taking the first 3 glyphs, for instance, you have "o", o with a neck (eva-l), and 8. I mean, just looking at them re the zodiac, o=Aries, o with neck=Taurus, 8=Gemini. But these are the same symbols used for body parts. O=head, o with neck=neck, 8 =shoulders. And with plants: o=flower, o with neck stem, 8=leaves. I'd argue the fourth part is actually talking about the human soul, so you might have o=god/spiritus, o with neck = matter, 8=man. Also, probably numbers.
But the writer, if using this as part of his/her system, would need to distinguish between them.
So o, followed by one type of gallows, might code for Aries and/or simply A.
Followed by another, might code for Head, and/or simply H.
Followed by a different gallows, might code for Flower and/or simply F
Followed by a fourth might code for God/Spiritus, or simply G or S.
And by itself, maybe it's just a 1 or 10.
It seems to me you could get a full alphanumeric system out of something like this, entropy would work better, etc.
C-C would be Pisces, Feet, Roots, etc. But when referring to the left foot, you might have to stick a gallows in the middle. Lol.
But I'm not really kidding. It might be something like this, and the gallows carry essential word info but don't translate to anything, except maybe, when on their own, the full system they number - Herbal, Body, Stars, Soul.
I just moved this from another thread. Emma May commented before I did so that this would mean effectively something like 40 glyphs, and that's right, though some would repeat, and a plant only has six parts, so that's why you would get more of one gallows than another. She wasn't sure where the writer might have got this idea. I myself got it from a variety of places he or she would have access to:
1) Zodiac man, where body parts are designated with astrology symbols
2) Picatrix, where the author inserts drawings or symbols of the planets without spelling them out
3) Raymond Llull, with his categories.
4) Raymond Llull, who near the end of one text started just using the first letter.
5) Close reading of the symbols, which often are literal "sphinxes", one part Christian, one Muslim, one Greek, for instance, or plants whose roots don't match.
6) The Rosettes page, which in my schema, acts as an index to the whole text, so I am able, sometimes successfully I think, to match symbol to meaning.
7) Aristotle and...Roger Bacon! Lol!
I would so appreciate someone with languages and linguistics to take a look at this. I don't think it would solve the whole problem, but if it seems to test out, it might open the door a little.