The Voynich Ninja

I thought it would be useful to have a conversion table here between the sequential images numbers on the Beinecke website
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and the usual folio numbers. Maybe on the folio browser too. Looking at the combo box now, it seems some numbers are off. (?)

1   [Front cover]
2   [Inside front cover]
3   1r
4   1v
5   2r
6   2v
7   3r
8   3v
9   4r
10  4v
11  5r
12  5v
13  6r
14  6v
15  7r
16  7v
17  8r
18  8v
19  9r
20  9v
21  10r
22  10v
23  11r
24  11v
25  13r
26  13v
27  14r
28  14v
29  15r
30  15v
31  16r
32  16v
33  17r
34  17v
35  18r
36  18v
37  19r
38  19v
39  20r
40  20v
41  21r
42  21v
43  22r
44  22v
45  23r
46  23v
47  24r
48  24v
49  25r
50  25v
51  26r
52  26v
53  27r
54  27v
55  28r
56  28v
57  29r
58  29v
59  30r
60  30v
61  31r
62  31v
63  32r
64  32v
65  33r
66  33v
67  34r
68  34v
69  35r
70  35v
71  36r
72  36v
73  37r
74  37v
75  38r
76  38v
77  39r
78  39v
79  40r
80  40v
81  41r
82  41v
83  42r
84  42v
85  43r
86  43v
87  44r
88  44v
89  45r
90  45v
91  46r
92  46v
93  47r
94  47v
95  48r
96  48v
97  49r
98  49v
99  50r
100 50v
101 51r
102 51v
103 52r
104 52v
105 53r
106 53v
107 54r
108 54v
109 55r
110 55v
111 56r
112 56v
113 57r
114 57v
115 58r
116 58v
117 65r
118 65v
119 66r
120 66v
121 67r1
121 67r2
122 67v2
122 67v1
123 68r1
123 68r2
123 68r3
124 68v3
124 68v2
124 68v1
125 69r
126 69v
126 70r1
126 70r2
127 70v2
128 70v1
129 71r
130 71v
130 72r1
130 72r2
130 72r3
131 72v3
131 72v2
132 72v1
133 73r
134 73v
135 75r
136 75v
137 76r
138 76v
139 77r
140 77v
141 78r
142 78v
143 79r
144 79v
145 80r
146 80v
147 81r
148 81v
149 82r
150 82v
151 83r
152 83v
153 84r
154 84v
155 85r1
156 85r2
156 86v4
156 86v6
157 86v5
157 86v3
158 Rosettes foldout
159 87r
160 87v
161 88r
162 88v
162 89r1
162 89r2
163 89v2
164 89v1
164 90r1
164 90r2
165 90v2
166 90v1
167 93r
168 93v
169 94r
170 94v
170 95r1
170 95r2
171 95v2
172 95v1
173 96r
174 96v
175 99r
176 99v
177 100r
178 100v
178 101r1
178 101r2
179 101v2
180 101v1
180 102r1
180 102r2
181 102v2
182 102v1
183 103r
184 103v
185 104r
186 104v
187 105r
188 105v
189 106r
190 106v
191 107r
192 107v
193 108r
194 108v
195 111r
196 111v
197 112r
198 112v
199 113r
200 113v
201 114r
202 114v
203 115r
204 115v
205 116r
206 116v
207 [Back flyleaf recto]
208 [Back flyleaf verso-inside back cover]
209 [Head]
210 [Tail]
211 [Fore-edge]
212 [Spine]
213 [Back cover]

(18-07-2018, 04:27 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Looking at the combo box now, it seems some numbers are off. (?)

In left to right order:
f67v1-2 should be f67v2-1
f68v2-3 should be f68r2-3
f68v1 should be f68v3-1
f69v-70r2 should be f69v,70r1-2
f71v-r3 should be f71v,72r1-3
f72v2-3 should be f72v3-2
f85r2-f86v6 should be f85r2,86v4,6
f85v3-5 should be f85v5,3
f86-ins-ros should be f85-86 rosettes
f88v-r2 should be f88v,89r1-2
f89v1-90r2 should be f89v1,90r1-2
f94v-95r2 should be f94v,95r1-2
f100v-101r2 should be f100v,101r1-2
f101v1-102r2 should be f101v1,102r1-2

I copied high-definition scans on my laptop from here ..    You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.     
In advance I apologize for plagiarism, I do not remember where I downloaded the following table.
[font=Courier New]f1r 1006076
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f1v 1006077

f2r 1006078

f2v 1006079

f3r 1006080

f3v 1006081

f4r 1006082

f4v 1006083

f5r 1006084

f5v 1006085

f6r 1006086

f6v 1006087

f7r 1006088

f7v 1006089

f8r 1006090

f8v 1006091

f9r 1006092

f9v 1006093

f10r 1006094

f10v 1006095

f11r 1006096

f11v 1006097

f13r 1006098

f13v 1006099

f14r 1006100

f14v 1006101

f15r 1006102

f15v 1006103

f16r 1006104

f16v 1006105

f17r 1006106

f17v 1006107

f18r 1006108

f18v 1006109

f19r 1006110

f19v 1006111

f20r 1006112

f20v 1006113

f21r 1006114

f21v 1006115

f22r 1006116

f22v 1006117

f23r 1006118

f23v 1006119

f24r 1006120

f24v 1006121

f25r 1006122

f25v 1006123

f26r 1006124

f26v 1006125

f27r 1006126

f27v 1006127

f28r 1006128

f28v 1006129

f29r 1006130

f29v 1006131

f30r 1006132

f30v 1006133

f31r 1006134

f31v 1006135

f32r 1006136

f32v 1006137

f33r 1006138

f33v 1006139

f34r 1006140

f34v 1006141

f35r 1006142

f35v 1006143

f36r 1006144

f36v 1006145

f37r 1006146

f37v 1006147

f38r 1006148

f38v 1006149

f39r 1006150

f39v 1006151

f40r 1006152

f40v 1006153

f41r 1006154

f41v 1006155

f42r 1006156

f42v 1006157

f43r 1006158

f43v 1006159

f44r 1006160

f44v 1006161

f45r 1006162

f45v 1006163

f46r 1006164

f46v 1006165

f47r 1006166

f47v 1006167

f48r 1006168

f48v 1006169

f49r 1006170

f49v 1006171

f50r 1006172

f50v 1006173

f51r 1006174

f51v 1006175

f52r 1006176

f52v 1006177

f53r 1006178

f53v 1006179

f54r 1006180

f54v 1006181

f55r 1006182

f55v 1006183

f56r 1006184

f56v 1006185

f57r 1006186

f57v 1006187

f58r 1006188

f58v 1006189

f65r 1006190

f65v 1006191

f66r 1006192

f66v 1006193

f67r1-2 1006194

f67v1-2 1006195

f68v2-3 1006196

f68v1 1006197

f69r 1006198

f69v-70r2 1006199

f70v2 1006200

f70v1 1006201

f71r 1006202

f71v-r3 1006203

f72v2-3 1006204

f72v1 1006205

f73r 1006206

f73v 1006207

f75r 1006208

f75v 1006209

f76r 1006210

f76v 1006211

f77r 1006212

f77v 1006213

f78r 1006214

f78v 1006215

f79r 1006216

f79v 1006217

f80r 1006218

f80v 1006219

f81r 1006220

f81v 1006221

f82r 1006222

f82v 1006223

f83r 1006224

f83v 1006225

f84r 1006226

f84v 1006227

f85r1 1006228

f85r2-f86v6 1006229

f86v3-5 1006230

f86-ins-ros 1006231

f87r 1006232

f88r 1037112

f88v-r2 1006233

f89v2 1006234

f89v1-90r2 1006235

f90v2 1006236

f90v1 1006237

f93r 1006238

f93v 1006239

f94r 1006240

f94v-95r2 1006241

f95v2 1006242

f95v1 1006243

f96r 1006244

f96v 1006245

f99r 1006246

f99v 1006247

f100r 1006248

f100v-101r2 1006249

f101v2 1006250

f101v1-102r2 1006251

f102v2 1006252

f102v1 1006253

f103r 1006254

f103v 1006255

f104r 1006256

f104v 1006257

f105r 1006258

f105v 1006259

f106r 1006260

f106v 1006261

f107r 1006262

f107v 1006263

f108r 1006264

f108v 1006265

f111r 1006266

f111v 1006267

f112r 1006268

f112v 1006269

f113r 1006270

f113v 1006271

f114r 1006272

f114v 1006273

f115r 1006274

f115v 1006275

f116r 1006276

f116v 1006277
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To clarifythe conventional  (standard) numbering of folding pages, I use You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

This is a non-trivial issue.

For the identification of folio numbers, there is not a problem as it follows the old foliation (which may not be contemporary in the strict sense).

For the identification of recto and verso there is also not a problem, since this follows standard conventions.

(Both points taking into account that this is a western book. For Arabic or Hebrew books , and probably some others, this would be different).

The special case for the Voynich MS is the numbering of the foldout 'parts'.
This was consolidated by Jim Reeds in 1995 or so.
D'Imperio before him used the same method but did not describe all cases.
Anne Nill seems to be the one who introduced this, but also her notes on this are not complete.

The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has been summarised visually on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .

Mapping the illustration to the folio and page numbers is done throughout the section that Wladimir already linked to.

Unfortunately, when the Beinecke first produced the web site with the new scans, they mislabeled the illustrations rather badly. (This was not done by a curator or conservator, but by public services).
This has been fixed, but one can still see the old problem on a web site with copies of the images:
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It doesn't take a long investigation to see that this cannot be correct.

Therefore, it is in principle possible that there are still some leftovers of this earlier mistake in parts of the Beinecke web resources, especially ones that weren't published officially.

(19-07-2018, 09:04 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Therefore, it is in principle possible that there are still some leftovers of this earlier mistake in parts of the Beinecke web resources, especially ones that weren't published officially.

Yes, but I trust the folio numbers on you website were not taken from those leftovers.
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They match this layout: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

The "corrected" version seems not to be used by anyone (?), so I suppose it was abandoned:
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The folio numbering is certainly correct.

When I visited the Beinecke in 1999 I double-checked the information from Jim with the original.

The only confusing point is the direction of some of the folds, and definitely these have changed
over the years.

When the Yale photo facsimile was prepared, the foliation, including the direction of the folds, was again
reviewed, and I adapted my drawings to be compatible with the facsimile, which should be considered
authoritative. They definitely used the original to finalise the drawings in the book.

(19-07-2018, 10:36 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....

The only confusing point is the direction of some of the folds, and definitely these have changed
over the years.

...

Hi René. What do you mean by “the direction of some of the folds”? The folding directions of how foldouts were folded into quires?

Like this:

[attachment=2520]

(28-11-2018, 07:22 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi René. What do you mean by “the direction of some of the folds”? The folding directions of how foldouts were folded into quires?

Like this:

Indeed. The folds are either 'mountain' or 'valley' folds. A first complete list was made by Jim Reeds when he visited the Beinecke library in the 1990's. From this, it could be concluded that the folio numbers were written on the pages while they were completely folded in. Due to the various different folding methods of some of the foldouts, as a result the folio number occasionally appears on the verso side.

However, already at that time it appeared that there was one exception to this rule, which could be explained if the fold had changed direction over time.

When the Yale facsimile book was prepared, this was revisited in detail, leading to an illustration of the quire layout on page 24. I updated my page at voynich.nu to make it consistent, and it was clear that there was at least one more change.

I remember that, when looking at the scans, there is at least one 'double fold',  i.e. it could go either way.

This seems to be an example of a fold that could go both ways:

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(28-11-2018, 09:26 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This seems to be an example of a fold that could go both ways:

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Thanks. I see the folding between f101r1 and f101r2 seems to go both ways.

This is very interesting.

It seems that all foldings are folded toward the center of the quire at first folding. Outer foldings may be folded toward or away from the center, though.

Like this:

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