The Voynich Ninja

It took me longer to get to it than I expected (busy time of year) but here's the info on CLM 1111. It didn't score super-high (just under 60), but they are both Gothic scripts (in the same basic family)... CLM 1111 is a bit more angular:




However... a note at the end of the manuscript is of interest, as it is signed George Marci. Interesting enough that I started a separate thread.

Quote:And the one to particularly look for is the figure-8 final-ess. That's not common. I've only found a few.

Any geographic localization for that?

Anton, sorry I didn't answer this question right away (localization for final-ess). I can't get to it until Monday or Tuesday evening. This is a particularly busy time.

No pb, JKP!

In the meantime I browsed some 15th century Basel manuscripts yesterday, just for fun, but could not locate perfect 8's. Maybe this is really something special which could narrow the time and place.

Anton, it is something special. I've been searching for years. The reason I can't give a quick answer is I try not to look at the data until I have enough of it. I need to plot it.

The other difficulty is that the origins of some of the manuscripts is unknown and as you know, it can take months or years to search academic articles to see if some of the better researchers have good educated guesses for the origin.

Also, I wanted to give examples of the other shapes that are commonly used. It's easy to say, "Figure-8 final-ess is rare," but one has to SHOW that it is rare by searching out all the others.

I don't have the data on this computer, but I promise I'll get back to you on this.

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I was able to locate one good example of 8, that is the hand of Rudiger Schopf active in the beginning of 15c in Freiburg, e-codices have several manuscripts of his, one example is Basel A II 3: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

His "g" is also nice, I think. Note, however, how his "a" is altogether different.

Ms. L 52 is probably in different hands, features "s" that is more like 8 than "B", and I like the "a" also

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Interesting example, this shape is a hybrid of S and 8

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(26-05-2019, 09:57 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I moved the latest posts int oa more appropriate thread.

I was able to locate one good example of 8, that is the hand of Rudiger Schopf active in the beginning of 15c in Freiburg, e-codices have several manuscripts of his, one example is Basel A II 3: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

His "g" is also nice, I think. Note, however, how his "a" is altogether different.

This one is in my files. Score - 68.5. Also an embellishment with dots.

These samples are from Cap. Res 527. There are 6 different hands. Three of them use figure-8 ess and a fourth uses it sometimes.

Origin is thought to be southern Germany (maybe Zurich) but it's a compilation and some of the text is on paste-downs (older fragments), so they may originate in different places.

Note that the two earlier hands (between c. 1330 and c. 1405) use snake-ess and B-ess for final-ess. Scores range from 50.5 to 67 (anything over 60 is good):