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There has recently been a notable increase in the discussion of the VMs cosmos illustration of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the comparison of the cosmic depiction in Oresme BNF fr. 565. It seems clear that there are some interesting potential similarities that may benefit from further investigation and discussion.
 
The first consideration here, however, is the schematic depiction of the cosmos in various medieval representations for the time between Sacrobosco and Regiomontanus – or anything roughly between 1200 & 1500 CE. It currently seems to me that most of these cosmic representations follow along a ‘planetary’ schematic model. They depict the earth in the center, surrounded by the successive orbits of the known medieval ‘planetes’: the Moon, Mercury, Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn and then encircled by the fixed stars. This is essentially the same model as the “Music of the Spheres”.
 
This is not what we see in the Oresme illustration. This depiction of the cosmos is based on a different schematic representation. Here the image in the diagram has been simplified to three different parts. These are: 1) the earthly core, 2) the starry field, and 3) the surrounding cloud band.
 
Now, of course, there are similarities between three-part model and the planetary model, because they are using some of the same information to depict the same subject, a geocentric representation of the cosmos, but there are also some significant, obvious differences in the Oresme version. And these same differences in that schematic depiction are also found in the VMs representation. The VMs, with its labeled and faintly marked, earthly core, the surrounding stars and the nebuly line (the most rudimentary depiction of a cloud band – by definition), certainly follows the three-part model shown in Oresme much more closely than the schematic construction of the multi-layered, planetary model.
 
A third cosmic representation, that follows the three-part schematic model fairly well, can be found in an illustration from the “Holkham Bible Picture Book” [BL Add MS 47682] from England c. 1327-1335. (Posted to the VN by MarcoP) As such, it surely predates Oresme. The model is similar though each of parts (from Holkham) is a little different. The central core is large and dark. The stars are there, but only as a scattering mostly above the core. And there is a distinct cloud band, which is a significant part of this model, but in Holkham the cloud band is mainly found to be based on a wavy line (not nebuly), though there are a few bulbous examples on either side of 3 o’clock. This is clearly not the more elaborate, scallop-shell pattern used by Oresme or found in the VMs central rosette. The ideological combination of the central rosette cloud band and the central parts of the VMs cosmos can only promote an even greater similarity with the Oresme representation.
 
There has also been a related line of discussion in regard to the description and interpretation of the central part of these diagrams. The VMs has a couple ‘labels’ and a few lines of writing, but other than that it consists of a circle crossed by a horizontal diameter and a radius line that extends vertically upward. The fact that the radius extends upward, rather than downward, may appear to be minor, but it has the effect of turning the world upside down. If the VMs illustration is a representation of the world divided into three continents as shown in a standard T-O map, then this VMs representation is a T-O map that has been inverted. And some have gone so far as to interpret the VMs ‘labels’ as Europe, Africa and Asia.
 
However, in the central core of the Oresme cosmos, the illustration is first divided horizontally, and then the upper half is divided into two quarters. This matches the VMs as it is. Nothing needs to be inverted. Furthermore the Oresme illustration is painted in a way to make clear that this is not a division of geographical continents. It is an elemental division of water, earth, and air. And this appears to be a fairly standard sort of representation, with water taking up the bottom half, air to the left and earth to the right in the upper part. Do the ‘labels’ in the VMs cosmic illustration correspond to these same elements?
 
What the comparison of VMs and Oresme does show is that both cosmic representations follow the same schematic plan – the same three parts in the same sequence. And where there are opportunities for variation, either in the division of the central sphere or the pattern of the cloud band, the actual representations show more of a corresponding similarity. And it is a similarity that can be strengthened virtually beyond doubt by the combination with the cloud band pattern of the VMs central rosette.
 
[As to the combination of representational elements from separate pages of the VMs, some will probably want an inflexible rule against it. Consider, however, the dual representations of Aries and Taurus. Two images of Aries (or Taurus) on separate pages combine to make a pair. The medallions of the first five houses of the VMs Zodiac combine to make a series of five pairs across seven pages. Multiple page combinations are clearly an option in the VMs. Consider the nature of VMs Gemini. It shows a man and a woman, not the representation of Castor and Pollux, that might be expected in the Zodiac. Are these fraternal twins as brother and sister? Or is this a wedding? A play on the hieros gamos, perhaps? Or is there another interpretation? Twins are a pairing that share a common origin. A marriage creates a corresponding pair that originates from different sources. Can the scallop-shell patterned cloud band from the VMs central rosette be married to the VMs cosmos of f68v? It can only occur through the auspices and the details of the Oresme illustration of the cosmos.]
 
In the investigation of the cloud band, relative to the Oresme-VMs comparison, the ninja collective produced a variety of interesting material. Basically, it shows (IMHO) that cloud band patterns were primarily idiosyncratic; each artist had a unique version – with a single exception for the use of the scallop-shell pattern which occurs in the Apocalypse Tapestry, the Oresme cosmos, some of Christine de Pizan, the VMs central rosette and elsewhere. Perhaps it would now be of interest to take a look at how the earthly core is represented in all the cosmic diagrams of this time (c. 1200-1500). What is the distribution of various representations, whether geographic, elemental, pictorial or other? Were elemental cores or cloud bands used with planetary diagrams? Any contribution of medieval cosmic images is appreciated.
Here is the Holkham Bible version of the cosmos posted by MarcoP.


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(19-11-2017, 12:20 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Furthermore the Oresme illustration is painted in a way to make clear that this is not a division of geographical continents. It is an elemental division of water, earth, and air. And this appears to be a fairly standard sort of representation, with water taking up the bottom half, air to the left and earth to the right in the upper part.

The division between water and earth is clear. The other manuscript, BNF Fr. 1082, of the same "Du ciel et du monde" a translation by Oresme of Aristote's work, has the same division in a different illustration : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

According to the analysis here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
page 50 : "dans le quart supérieur gauche un monde habitable inconnu, soit qu'il soit séparé de la terre habitée, soit qu'il en constitue le prolongement inexploré"
(in the upper-left quadrant an unknown habitable world, either separated from the inhabited area or its unexplored extension.)

Maybe the disorganized green pattern represents wild vegetation?

BTW,  I noticed the number of undulations is the same : 43. Smile

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Greetings, nablator

We already talked a bit on the VMs list.

Your suggestion is interesting, that the upper parts are both land: terra cognita and terra incognita, for example. That would enhance the similarity between the two Oresme illustrations somewhat (BNF Fr. 565 vs BNF Fr. 1082).  Otherwise however they are still structurally quite different.

On the other hand, there are a couple other examples of inverted T-O representations of the Earth where the three way, elemental division is more compelling. Air was represented by nebuly lines. However, you are correct in showing that this isn't entirely clear. And the interpretation of VMs labels remains unknown.


My point is that the comparison between Oresme (565) and the VMs cosmos shows a correlation strong enough to support the proposition that the VMs cosmos derives from Oresme, (or at least to support the discussion of that proposition). And it is a comparison based on structure, despite obviously ambiguous and intentional visual differences. Your comparison of the number of undulations, though not mentioned in our discussion, is another example of unexpected structural similarity between the two representations. It was posted shortly after the initial 2014 discovery, but not sure by whom.

Beyond the fact of structural similarity (between VMs & 565), there is the distinct and intentional factor of visual difference. This seems to be a conscious effort to diminish visual similarity - to disguise the connection for any investigator who lacks a good familiarity with both examples. And it also seems to serve as a potential example of the VMs creator's modus operandi for other important illustrations: visual similarities are diminished and disguised, a knowledge of the proper structural and positional confirmations is necessary to make the identification intended by the VMs creator. The same methodology appears too have been employed in the construction of VMs White Aries.
(25-02-2018, 03:11 PM)nablato Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....

According to the analysis here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
page 50 : "dans le quart supérieur gauche un monde habitable inconnu, soit qu'il soit séparé de la terre habitée, soit qu'il en constitue le prolongement inexploré"
(in the upper-left quadrant an unknown habitable world, either separated from the inhabited area or its unexplored extension.)

Maybe the disorganized green pattern represents wild vegetation?

...


It may be helpful to include a fuller quote:

"Nous sommes bien loin ici du schéma tripartite des continents, dont le T a été renversé au profit d'une orientation qui semble etre désormais au nord, et il n'est pas difficle de reconnaitre dans le quart supérieur droit la terre habitée, et, probablement, le Paradis symbolisé par un enclose, et dans le quart supérieur gauche un autre monde habitable inconnu, soit qu'il soit séparé de la terre habitée, soit qui'il en constitue le prolongement inexploré; enfin, vers le sud, ne subsiste plus qu'une vaste masse océanique... Si le symbole demeure, son interprétation n'a plus rien de commun avec celle qui sous-tendait le choix de son image." [Arnaud, 1990]


We are well away/some distance here from the three-part schema of the continents, whose T has been reversed in favor of an orientation that appears henceforth from the north, and it is not difficult to recognize in the upper-right quarter/section the inhabited land and, mostly likely, Paradise symbolized by an enclosure, and in the upper left quarter/section another unknown habitable world/realm, separated from the inhabited land, which comprises the unexplored extents; finally, toward the south, remains only a vast oceanic mass... If the symbol remains/persists/takes hold, its interpretation no longer has anything in common with that which underlies the choice of his image.
(25-02-2018, 03:11 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.BTW,  I noticed the number of undulations is the same : 43. Smile

Good eye! 

So perhaps the Author and/or Scribe did not understand what the wolkenband was, and did not think that the specific shape of and shading of the "knobs" was important, but believed that the number of knobs was very important?

That is all the more remarkable if we consider that the shape was deformed from circular to a rough octagon, and that some of the "rivers" that fed the "pool" connected to the knobs.

There are 6+5+5+5 = 21 stars in the "pool". Double that is 42, one less than 43. A coincidence?

But when they got to the Central Rosette of f85v2 they had learned the proper style, at least.  (And the Painter knew that the necks of the knobs had to be blue.)

Are there other wolkenbands in the VMS?  On f79r1 there is something that could be an intermediate stage between f68v3 and the Central Rosette...

All the best, --stolfi
@Jorge
It's really not my discovery - exactly. I named it. Someone else counted the knobs. More than one person, actually. I've just been around longer than the ninjas and you were on hiatus.

Naming depends on how you want to define a wolkenband. Is it only a simple line with singular knobs and cosmic connections? Is it any old nebuly line around a green pool? Is it embellished like the VMs Central Rosette? Or the even more elaborate like the middle rosette on the right side? Actually, I've been told that the term is passé. Then there are elaborately patterned examples of leaf margins in the VMs botanical pages. I don't think they qualify.

Blue and white certainly seems to be the historically preferred option and the VMs artist likes blue, but cloud bands occur in wide variety of colors. Pink and white is nice.
(19-01-2026, 02:22 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.the term is passé

I only remember one person ever complaining about it, and that was basically because it was a German word and seemed to evoke the suggestion that the MS by extension should be German (which I don't think is what you intended).
I'm certainly not an art critic, so perhaps I should stay silent. It's my feeling, however, that the term, wolkenband, has become too broadly generic. It is not only used in examples with nebuly-based cloud band patters (as it should), but also for cosmic boundaries that have no internal pattern, consist of plain lines, solar motifs, golden rays, or blue pools. All of which have been used in the depiction of various representations of divine presence, but which lack the essential cloud-based connection.
(19-01-2026, 02:22 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Naming depends on how you want to define a wolkenband. Is it only a simple line with singular knobs and cosmic connections? Is it any old nebuly line around a green pool? Is it embellished like the VMs Central Rosette?

Again, a "nebuly line" is a term of heraldry that specifies a wavy line with the peaks and throughs swollen into knobs.  AFAIK it does not specify any additional detail, just a simple line (although it may be realized with fancifications, I suppose).  The examples I have seen have a straight midline crossing the enclosing area; I have not seen any bent into a closed loop.  I don't know what it is supposed to "mean", but it does not seem to be a Earth-Heavens boundary.

A "wolkenband" is a more elaborate band that in theory is supposed to represent the edge of a cloud (and sometimes still looks more like that); but by the 1400s it had long evolved into a specific stylized and symbolic design element, like the halos around the heads of saints or the pointy rays on the sun.  The overall shape is like a nebuly line, but the knobs have a thick edge with little knobs, and the thing is shaded and painted as if it was a frilled 3D ribbon.  (because of that stylization I prefer to call it "wolkenband" than "cloud-band".) The band is usually curved, often closed, and it definitely means a boundary between Earthly and Heavnly domains, when they are both depicted in the same image.

The VMS has several wavy lines with swollen knobs, but most of them are neither nebuly lines (because there is no heraldry involved) nor wolkenbands (because they are missing the key details and are not  Earth-Heavens boundaries).  They are mostly in the Bio section, and there they clearly are meant to be edges of pools or flowing water.  The exceptions that I know of are the Central and East Rosettes -- where they look just as they should, and may be serving that function.

We now know that the "galaxy" f68v3 was supposed to be one too, but was so badly copied that it would not be recognized if it wasn't for the Oresme examples.

I think these terms are not (and should not be) used to refer to just any densely patterned band, like those of f86v4 or of the other seven Rosettes.

All the best, --stolfi
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