15-01-2018, 03:28 AM
I am fascinated to read that while the author believes the content in the manuscript's written text is fairly ordinary:
he then says the language is low/vulgar/commoners' Latin
but using a script even older than classical Latin
I have some difficulty on that point, because despite my ignorance of comparative linguistics and phonetics, I learn from the wikiwand article 'Proto-Italic languages' that:
I understand this to mean is that
1. there are no written examples of 'Proto-Italic' language, and scholar's efforts to reconstruct Proto-Italic language is derived by analogy, back-projection and comparative linguistics. And secondly
2. There is no 'Proto-Italic' script.
There is an 'Old Italic' script. Since this is really basic stuff, and I'm no specialist, I'll stick to wikiwand for the quote.
Now oddly enough I don't think it necessarily impossible that someone might adopt the symbols of an ancient script in order to suggest that their recipe-book was full of ancient wisdom. We know that Marsilio Ficino asked for an appointment to a rural town in the heel of Italy, in the belief that the locals preserved an authentically 'ancient Greek' language, presumably with associated script, writing and something of medicine (given his particular interests).
Baresch evidently believed the content was ancient, too, and non-European.
Kircher had such a collection of ancient and antique scripts that he claimed to be able to read that one would have loved to see his seventeenth-century library.
So it's not impossible. Monuments and papyri and so on exist to the present day showing scripts so ancient we can't read them.
Not impossible - but is it true?
Had this 'PhD student' asked my advice, I think I'd have told him to make appointments with scholars in other departments of the university and request their evaluation of his (a) historical perspective (b) ideas about language and linguistics © ideas about epigraphy and paleography and finally (d) his ideas about medieval medicine, and his efforts to locate the sources of these supposed recipes and advices.
Medicine has a lineage.
and see
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Postscript: The author is mistaken in describing the 'old saying' as a tautology
It is not a tautology but an error.
A solution is sought according to the way an individual perceives the nature of the problem - and that perception is affected by personal as well as impersonal biases: his or her natural capacity, personal inclinations and prior learning. This is why, when a certain chemical engineer announced an 'obvious' solution to the problem of engine wear... adding lead to the petrol... no-one stopped to do the other sort of math. 'Obvious' can be counter-productive, and sometimes historical events are counter-intuitive.
Quote:... written in a perfectly ordinary language and is simply a tome about homeopathic remedies and practises relating to the spiritual belief system of the High Mediaeval period in Mediterranean Europe..
he then says the language is low/vulgar/commoners' Latin
Quote:.... it is revealed to be the only known document both written in Vulgar Latin, or protoRomance,
but using a script even older than classical Latin
Quote:using proto-Italic symbols
I have some difficulty on that point, because despite my ignorance of comparative linguistics and phonetics, I learn from the wikiwand article 'Proto-Italic languages' that:
Quote:The Proto-Italic language is the ancestor of the Italic languages... It is not directly attested in writing, but [the language, not the script] has been reconstructed [font=Lora, serif]to some degree through the comparative method. [/font]
I understand this to mean is that
1. there are no written examples of 'Proto-Italic' language, and scholar's efforts to reconstruct Proto-Italic language is derived by analogy, back-projection and comparative linguistics. And secondly
2. There is no 'Proto-Italic' script.
There is an 'Old Italic' script. Since this is really basic stuff, and I'm no specialist, I'll stick to wikiwand for the quote.
Quote:Old Italic is one of several now extinct alphabet systems used on the Italian Peninsula in ancient times for various Indo-European languages (predominantly Italic) and non-Indo-European (e.g. Etruscan) languages.
The alphabets derive from the Euboean Greek Cumaean alphabet, used at Ischia and Cumae in the Bay of Naples, n the eighth century BC.
Now oddly enough I don't think it necessarily impossible that someone might adopt the symbols of an ancient script in order to suggest that their recipe-book was full of ancient wisdom. We know that Marsilio Ficino asked for an appointment to a rural town in the heel of Italy, in the belief that the locals preserved an authentically 'ancient Greek' language, presumably with associated script, writing and something of medicine (given his particular interests).
Baresch evidently believed the content was ancient, too, and non-European.
Kircher had such a collection of ancient and antique scripts that he claimed to be able to read that one would have loved to see his seventeenth-century library.
So it's not impossible. Monuments and papyri and so on exist to the present day showing scripts so ancient we can't read them.
Not impossible - but is it true?
Had this 'PhD student' asked my advice, I think I'd have told him to make appointments with scholars in other departments of the university and request their evaluation of his (a) historical perspective (b) ideas about language and linguistics © ideas about epigraphy and paleography and finally (d) his ideas about medieval medicine, and his efforts to locate the sources of these supposed recipes and advices.
Medicine has a lineage.
and see
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Postscript: The author is mistaken in describing the 'old saying' as a tautology
Quote:There is a tautological saying; if a solution seems obvious then it is obviously the solution.
It is not a tautology but an error.
A solution is sought according to the way an individual perceives the nature of the problem - and that perception is affected by personal as well as impersonal biases: his or her natural capacity, personal inclinations and prior learning. This is why, when a certain chemical engineer announced an 'obvious' solution to the problem of engine wear... adding lead to the petrol... no-one stopped to do the other sort of math. 'Obvious' can be counter-productive, and sometimes historical events are counter-intuitive.