On the topic of lists without ruled columns, there were many.
Calendars tended to have columns and many of the astronomical charts tended to have defined columns, but other kinds of documentation, regardless of country of origin, like tax rolls and accounts, were forms of information that were columnar (that were put into lined ledgers in later centuries) but which were recorded without columns in medieval times.
The difference is of course that the VM text doesn't even look like it's in columns. One could say that the text was copied and the copyists didn't realize that the position of the words was important.
But in that case, wouldn't we expect a more erratic right margin?
If some parts skipped across a column (if not every column were populated), one way to deal with that would be with a "marker" glyph.
And something like this, if you write the black text in a flowing paragraph, wouldn't it look equally strange as Voynichese, structure wise? Also there's a bunch of rigidly positioned o's and some larger initial characters which look like they might be easily converted to gallows:
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@ Diane:
I use the word "author" for brevity - i.e. "the guy who put all that Voynichese stuff down". There might have been more than one, singular is used for brevity.
The point is that when they wanted to align the stuff, they did it - like in f66r. Another excellent example is clear division of sectors in circular diagrams. Those are not "tables " in the strict sense of the word, but the purpose is the same - to organize items of text.
(07-03-2017, 03:00 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....Also there's a bunch of rigidly positioned o's and some larger initial characters which look like they might be easily converted to gallows:
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Yes, FYI, in Greek the character in the third column that looks like EVA-k is a ligature for "po" or "peri" (sometimes "pe") depending on context. It's pi and o combined. Depending on the handwriting, it often has a straight leg on the right, instead of a curve, exactly like EVA-k. It's also a ligature in Latin, German, and French (with different meanings).
Now to the subject at hand, there is simple statistical proof that the transcription of for example You are not allowed to view links.
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The left top = 1 column and the right top= 2nd column of text.
At this moment my research is still fresh, so it remains unpublished.
But it is very easy for an experienced Voynichese to see it.
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@JKP to the suggestion to make columns of f84r, I do not quite understand why you assumed the columns, but based on the words in the text they form for the first 4 lines a clear paragraph. Then the next 3 lines are a paragraph and so on. Further more it's probable that the "arch words" are labels, but currently it is more logical, based on statistical analysis, that it is the intention that they form together some words, a sentence or a line. And if you are going to count: there are 12 ladies. and 12 vords not 7.
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@JKP: The nicest Peri in Greek I've seen, is a PI with a reversed 3 on top of it, in Dioscorides Materia Medica year 800.
Looks like I'm going to pay dearly for having grabbed the quickest example of something that looked vaguely like arches so there was something to start the discussion.
I haven't actually studied this page at all (except for some of the text). It just struck me that archways that were similar to calendrical arches might be a motif for information that could be displayed vertically, especially if it's one of those VMS pages that is especially repetitious (as some of the folios in this section are). I think it's possible that some sections of the manuscript may have information/lists/charts that would normally be set up a little differently than how they have been presented.
No, you are not going to pay, I "gave" info regarding f75v, unless you really want to: do you want to wire transfer or pay by credit card ?
(20-03-2017, 12:30 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No, you are not going to pay, I "gave" info regarding f75v, unless you really want to: do you want to wire transfer or pay by credit card ?
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